SWIC Gun Thread

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Shemoves.... So what happen to your AR?

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[MrMcCrackin]

Anyone have a SIG556 Pistol they want to trade?

[C-grunt]

Originally Posted by MrMcCrackin

Anyone have a SIG556 Pistol they want to trade?

There was one on Azshooting I believe

[shemoves]

Regarding the AR issues:

It took two weeks (not including shipping time) to figure out it was a leak in the BCG, replace said BCG, and polish the feed-ramps and chamber.

Got the rifle back this past Friday and I was able to put 70 rounds through it. It went bang each time without issue.

They also sent me a shirt! I'll be giving it to my brother.

During this process, the rep I was working with ignored emails I sent him multiple times, and I had to 'remind' him to do things on a number of occasions. I was also told I was going to be sent some Pmags...I'm not surprised I never got them.

Bottom line: a similar rifle can be purchased for less money, but from companies with (likely) better customer service.

[shemoves]

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

http://aztac.org/atoa-2012-conference

If any of you go to this, lemme know as I work @ CCV. I always buy a few raffle tickets in hopes of winning a rifle or some top-level training.

[shemoves]

I have a BNIB Daniel Defense foregrip for sale. This is the new design to prevent the failure they had with that bad batch. I put it on CL for $40, but I'll do $35 for the SWIC.

Product details here: https://danieldefense.com/components...rip-black.html

[GroceryStore_Ninja]

Originally Posted by shemoves

Regarding the AR issues:

It took two weeks (not including shipping time) to figure out it was a leak in the BCG, replace said BCG, and polish the feed-ramps and chamber.

Got the rifle back this past Friday and I was able to put 70 rounds through it. It went bang each time without issue.

They also sent me a shirt! I'll be giving it to my brother.

During this process, the rep I was working with ignored emails I sent him multiple times, and I had to 'remind' him to do things on a number of occasions. I was also told I was going to be sent some Pmags...I'm not surprised I never got them.

Bottom line: a similar rifle can be purchased for less money, but from companies with (likely) better customer service.

That is not like Daniel defense, but two weeks is an amazing turn around for any one in the gun industry, if you had problems with a customer service rep call and speak to there customer service manager. Daniel defense Prides their self on customer service. when ever I have an issue I get it immediately resolved and I am the one that built the rifle with their parts.

[AWDshenanigans]

Originally Posted by shemoves

If any of you go to this, lemme know as I work @ CCV. I always buy a few raffle tickets in hopes of winning a rifle or some top-level training.

There's a tactical training event at a church? lmao.

"And the lord sayeth unto Jesus: Traineth thy disciples in proper AR tactics."

[TwinscrollGT35R]

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=423852637675973


lololol

[shemoves]

Originally Posted by GroceryStore_Ninja

That is not like Daniel defense, but two weeks is an amazing turn around for any one in the gun industry, if you had problems with a customer service rep call and speak to there customer service manager. Daniel defense Prides their self on customer service. when ever I have an issue I get it immediately resolved and I am the one that built the rifle with their parts.

I am trying to determine if I did actually have issues...haha. I'll explain--all together, the rifle was 'out' for a day short of a month (dropped off @ UPS 9/6, return delivered 10/5), so they had it for about 2.5 weeks. If that is a good turn around time, then my expectations were too high and some of the problem is just with me being a nag. If that is not a good turn around time, then they dropped the ball multiple times.

I have been avoiding naming anyone or calling a manager at this point because, being my first foray into a firearm RMA, I am not sure what par for the course is, and I don't want to create problems for someone that is actually doing a satisfactory job.

Just to be clear, this is what I would have viewed as good customer service with a failing, brand-new rifle: RMA setup within 36 hours, 3-day shipping, 48-72 hours to fix issue (only w/ brand new parts), throw a couple pmags in the box, 3-day shipping return. And some communication on their end in the form of 'got the rifle, fixed XYZ, rifle shipped back out.'

Had it not been a brand new rifle, normal 5-day shipping, no pmags, etc would have been reasonable.

I think they have just been putting getting new product out as top priority--esp with the release of their new "build-your-own and have it done within a day or two" gig they've started. This is a management issue, not a rep issue though--which is why I have not called to "tattle" on the guy I was working with. All of this said, I understand that my expectations just may have been out of whack.

[C-grunt]

Originally Posted by shemoves

I am trying to determine if I did actually have issues...haha. I'll explain--all together, the rifle was 'out' for a day short of a month (dropped off @ UPS 9/6, return delivered 10/5), so they had it for about 2.5 weeks. If that is a good turn around time, then my expectations were too high and some of the problem is just with me being a nag. If that is not a good turn around time, then they dropped the ball multiple times.

I have been avoiding naming anyone or calling a manager at this point because, being my first foray into a firearm RMA, I am not sure what par for the course is, and I don't want to create problems for someone that is actually doing a satisfactory job.

Just to be clear, this is what I would have viewed as good customer service with a failing, brand-new rifle: RMA setup within 36 hours, 3-day shipping, 48-72 hours to fix issue (only w/ brand new parts), throw a couple pmags in the box, 3-day shipping return. And some communication on their end in the form of 'got the rifle, fixed XYZ, rifle shipped back out.'

Had it not been a brand new rifle, normal 5-day shipping, no pmags, etc would have been reasonable.

I think they have just been putting getting new product out as top priority--esp with the release of their new "build-your-own and have it done within a day or two" gig they've started. This is a management issue, not a rep issue though--which is why I have not called to "tattle" on the guy I was working with. All of this said, I understand that my expectations just may have been out of whack.

A two week turn a round for getting a rifle looked at, diagnosed and replaced is pretty decent. Not only that but also coming from a company that has big military contracts and a lot of LE contracts to boot.

If the customer service rep was not up to par then I would talk to someone.

[sti1911]

Originally Posted by shemoves

I am trying to determine if I did actually have issues...haha. I'll explain--all together, the rifle was 'out' for a day short of a month (dropped off @ UPS 9/6, return delivered 10/5), so they had it for about 2.5 weeks. If that is a good turn around time, then my expectations were too high and some of the problem is just with me being a nag. If that is not a good turn around time, then they dropped the ball multiple times.

I have been avoiding naming anyone or calling a manager at this point because, being my first foray into a firearm RMA, I am not sure what par for the course is, and I don't want to create problems for someone that is actually doing a satisfactory job.

Just to be clear, this is what I would have viewed as good customer service with a failing, brand-new rifle: RMA setup within 36 hours, 3-day shipping, 48-72 hours to fix issue (only w/ brand new parts), throw a couple pmags in the box, 3-day shipping return. And some communication on their end in the form of 'got the rifle, fixed XYZ, rifle shipped back out.'

Had it not been a brand new rifle, normal 5-day shipping, no pmags, etc would have been reasonable.

I think they have just been putting getting new product out as top priority--esp with the release of their new "build-your-own and have it done within a day or two" gig they've started. This is a management issue, not a rep issue though--which is why I have not called to "tattle" on the guy I was working with. All of this said, I understand that my expectations just may have been out of whack.

Have to remember that you are basically a gunsmithing customer to them at that point... I can tell you if I was rebarreling a rifle even an M4 for you my turn around is at least a week for you... (Its hunting season...) if they have guys on vacation hunting ect their turn around is going to be longer... all in all two weeks is a great turn around for a rifle from a large company... hell i worked for a custom stock/rifle maker who's in az, their turnaround for a stock order was like 1-3 months and for having an action bedded add another month or two...

[shemoves]

Originally Posted by C-grunt

A two week turn a round for getting a rifle looked at, diagnosed and replaced is pretty decent. Not only that but also coming from a company that has big military contracts and a lot of LE contracts to boot.

If the customer service rep was not up to par then I would talk to someone.

Originally Posted by sti1911

Have to remember that you are basically a gunsmithing customer to them at that point... I can tell you if I was rebarreling a rifle even an M4 for you my turn around is at least a week for you... (Its hunting season...) if they have guys on vacation hunting ect their turn around is going to be longer... all in all two weeks is a great turn around for a rifle from a large company... hell i worked for a custom stock/rifle maker who's in az, their turnaround for a stock order was like 1-3 months and for having an action bedded add another month or two...

OK, good perspective. Thanks guys. Now to decide btween an RDS or variable...leaning Leupold VX-R, but Aimpoint PRO is also an option.

[C-grunt]

Originally Posted by shemoves

OK, good perspective. Thanks guys. Now to decide btween an RDS or variable...leaning Leupold VX-R, but Aimpoint PRO is also an option.

Whats the main purpose of the rifle?

A red dot is king from 0-200 yards. After that a good variable or fixed, like an ACOG, start to show their strengths. having used all three I will say that for urban/civvy uses the red dot is the best.

Another option is the low powered ACOGs like the 1.5 or 2 power. Very fast up close and easy to use.

[C-grunt]

Also, if you do decide to go with a variable scope I would highly suggest looking at the Vortex Viper PST 1-4 over the V-XR. Better value for the money. Leupolds tactical line are priced way to high in my opinion. Resting on their reputation a bit to much.

[shemoves]

I'll take a look at the Vortex. I have had a VX-R and an Aimpoint PRO in hand so I know those, not the case with the PST.

[C-grunt]

Sportsmans Warehouse carries the Viper PSTs. Look them up online. Great scopes and have a lot of good features. Leupold still makes a good scope but most of their tactical line costs more than the competitors and have far less features.

Example would be the illuminated Leupold Mk4 4.5-14 LR vs the Vortex Viper PST 4-16 FFP.

The Leupold is a second focal plane scope which means the reticle stays the same size no matter what the magnification is. This means that the mil dots are only accurate at 1 set power. Also the turrets are MOA which doesnt match the reticle. These scopes are usually around 1200 dollars or more.

The Viper PST is a first focal plane scope. The mil dot reticle is accurate at any magnification. So if you are doing range measurements you dont have to worry about which magnification you are at. Plus the turrets can be had in mils so they match the reticle. That way if you are shooting and notice that your round is hitting 2 mils low and 0.5 mils right in the retucle you can easily just adjust 2 mils up and 0.5 left and be on target. If tyou had a MOA turret you would have to do a lot of math to get the correct clicks on the scope. These scopes run about 900 bucks.

[C-grunt]

http://swfa.com/Vortex-Viper-PST-Rif...pes-C2860.aspx

[shemoves]

If the PST and the VX-R were the same cost, which would you choose?

[TwinscrollGT35R]

Obama just confirmed his desire to reinstate the assault weapons ban

[C-grunt]

Originally Posted by shemoves

If the PST and the VX-R were the same cost, which would you choose?

PST hands down. More features.

Also if you are looking at both 1-4 the PST is cheaper and in my opinion has a better CQB reticle.

[C-grunt]

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

Obama just confirmed his desire to reinstate the assault weapons ban

Heard that. I was at the gym when he said it. But hopefully the history is the AWB will happen again and suggesting it is pretty much political suicide.

[AWDshenanigans]

Originally Posted by TwinscrollGT35R

Obama just confirmed his desire to reinstate the assault weapons ban

Was that the Clinton ban? sorry, that **** happened before I was old enough to know about **** like that. I was lead to believe that that's why Bush won in 2000. I didn't watch the debates, what did he say?

[sti1911]

Originally Posted by shemoves

OK, good perspective. Thanks guys. Now to decide btween an RDS or variable...leaning Leupold VX-R, but Aimpoint PRO is also an option.

another option if you have a flat top and a quad rail is an EoTech with a magnifier...

[GroceryStore_Ninja]

Originally Posted by C-grunt

Whats the main purpose of the rifle?

A red dot is king from 0-200 yards. After that a good variable or fixed, like an ACOG, start to show their strengths. having used all three I will say that for urban/civvy uses the red dot is the best.

Another option is the low powered ACOGs like the 1.5 or 2 power. Very fast up close and easy to use.

I find that if it is too close for my acog I can point shoot.