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Old 10-18-2012, 02:25 AM   #1701
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another option if you have a flat top and a quad rail is an EoTech with a magnifier...
I don't like the large ring...I always feel myself trying to 'see around it.' That's also my biggest gripe with the Vortex. I like thin lines and some mil dots. Leopold's SPR reticle is good, though I could do without the ring and I think it is in mils.

At this point, I may just go with a Magpul MBUS setup and wait for a great deal on something I really like.
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:39 AM   #1702
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I don't like the large ring...I always feel myself trying to 'see around it.' That's also my biggest gripe with the Vortex. I like thin lines and some mil dots. Leopold's SPR reticle is good, though I could do without the ring and I think it is in mils.

At this point, I may just go with a Magpul MBUS setup and wait for a great deal on something I really like.
the key with the EoTech is to turn it on so that you can just start to see the ring and dot for the current light conditions... you will be able to see through it and it helps a ton in the feeling of looking around the ring...
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:16 PM   #1703
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the EOtech magnifier is comparable with all red dots
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Old 10-18-2012, 04:03 PM   #1704
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I don't like the large ring...I always feel myself trying to 'see around it.' That's also my biggest gripe with the Vortex. I like thin lines and some mil dots. Leopold's SPR reticle is good, though I could do without the ring and I think it is in mils.

At this point, I may just go with a Magpul MBUS setup and wait for a great deal on something I really like.
Then it sounds like an Aimpoint is he way to go. You can pick up PROs for 420 local or sometimes find them for under 400 online.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:00 PM   #1705
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I am trying to move a 1.5x and 3x ACOGs with the horseshoe rectile

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Old 10-18-2012, 08:44 PM   #1706
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Then it sounds like an Aimpoint is he way to go. You can pick up PROs for 420 local or sometimes find them for under 400 online.
I was talking with an ex SWAT guy today @ the ATOA conference and he suggested looking @ TruGlo and Millet(?)...was surprised.

I also had a chance to put my hands on the Burris XTR 1-4 that a vendor brought and I really liked the reticle, and that the variable is adjusted via the entire rear section rather than just a little ring. Online specs also show it to have a 100 @ 100 field of view in low power. Was also able to use it fairly well with both eyes open at about 5 yards (though it either had very slight paralax or isn't a true 1x at 1x).

After talking with a couple people at the conference, I am leaning solidly toward going variable rather than an RDS.

I think the key for me now is just getting my hands on as many as possible and being patient with it as 500+ dollarbucks is a lot of coin.
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Old 10-18-2012, 08:55 PM   #1707
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I was talking with an ex SWAT guy today @ the ATOA conference and he suggested looking @ TruGlo and Millet(?)...was surprised.

I also had a chance to put my hands on the Burris XTR 1-4 that a vendor brought and I really liked the reticle, and that the variable is adjusted via the entire rear section rather than just a little ring. Online specs also show it to have a 100 @ 100 field of view in low power. Was also able to use it fairly well with both eyes open at about 5 yards (though it either had very slight paralax or isn't a true 1x at 1x).

After talking with a couple people at the conference, I am leaning solidly toward going variable rather than an RDS.

I think the key for me now is just getting my hands on as many as possible and being patient with it as 500+ dollarbucks is a lot of coin.
Also remember that a good mount for a variable is gonna be about 200 bucks too.

Dont get to caught up in what some SWAT guys say. Many of them are not gun guys and really dont know that much about guns. Kinda like guys who are SF, SEALs, Snipers, ETC..... Just because you are good at tactics and general fighting doesnt make you an expert or really knowledgeable at all about the hardware used.

Or you can just do the smart choice and grab McCrackins TA-33H. Probably one of the best combat oriented optics ever invented.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:06 PM   #1708
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What do you think of the Primary Arms mounts?

Ha, didn't see that post. I'll PM him.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #1709
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Would it be legal to lay down and shoot out of the back of an outback using a gun rest?
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Old 10-19-2012, 04:03 PM   #1710
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Would it be legal to lay down and shoot out of the back of an outback using a gun rest?
It's illegal to shoot out of a moving vehicle. Not sure about if it's parked.]

I know what movie I'm watching today...
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Old 10-22-2012, 02:53 PM   #1711
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:33 PM   #1712
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I was talking with an ex SWAT guy today @ the ATOA conference and he suggested looking @ TruGlo and Millet(?)...was surprised.

I also had a chance to put my hands on the Burris XTR 1-4 that a vendor brought and I really liked the reticle, and that the variable is adjusted via the entire rear section rather than just a little ring. Online specs also show it to have a 100 @ 100 field of view in low power. Was also able to use it fairly well with both eyes open at about 5 yards (though it either had very slight paralax or isn't a true 1x at 1x).

After talking with a couple people at the conference, I am leaning solidly toward going variable rather than an RDS.

I think the key for me now is just getting my hands on as many as possible and being patient with it as 500+ dollarbucks is a lot of coin.


What about Millet DMS and a LaRue SPR mount?

Or go balls out and get the leupold cqt
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Old 10-22-2012, 10:04 PM   #1713
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Do you have any experience with the Millet?

I would do an SWFA SS 1-4x before a CQT. Actually, I am now looking at waiting a bit longer and getting the SS after doing research into first/second focal plane stuff.

I'm still trying to find a PST locally to look through though as I really don't like the reticle on the SS.

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Old 10-23-2012, 01:45 AM   #1714
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Do you have any experience with the Millet?

I would do an SWFA SS 1-4x before a CQT. Actually, I am now looking at waiting a bit longer and getting the SS after doing research into first/second focal plane stuff.

I'm still trying to find a PST locally to look through though as I really don't like the reticle on the SS.
Personally no, but Millet is a great price point.

Several of the 3 gun guys swear by Millet

You should have hit the gun show and tried out all the 1-4x options available
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Old 10-23-2012, 03:34 AM   #1715
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Personally no, but Millet is a great price point.

Several of the 3 gun guys swear by Millet

You should have hit the gun show and tried out all the 1-4x options available
Not with what they charge for admission and parking...a bit rediculous.
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Old 10-24-2012, 12:31 PM   #1716
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Do you have any experience with the Millet?

I would do an SWFA SS 1-4x before a CQT. Actually, I am now looking at waiting a bit longer and getting the SS after doing research into first/second focal plane stuff.

I'm still trying to find a PST locally to look through though as I really don't like the reticle on the SS.
Saw this yesterday and thought of you!

What are your top 3 that you are considering and why?

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Just bought one with more magnification, so I no longer need this one. It's in excellent condition - looks new. Includes the caps (NF ones and BC flips), and manual.

It's a mildot reticle with 1/4 MOA High-Speed turrets and Zero Stop. Like all NF, the reticle is illuminated.

$1150 cash. May entertain partial firearm trades, but cash is preferred.

EDIT: This is the scope (MAP is $1450: http://www.eurooptic.com/nightforce-...stop-c123.aspx)

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Old 10-24-2012, 05:19 PM   #1717
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Ooohhhhhh. Nightforce. That's what you should buy! Then let me play with it a little.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:26 PM   #1718
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I dont know,

If i was in the market for a 1-4x it would be a Vortex PST 1-4 or better yet a SS 1-4 HD
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Old 10-25-2012, 01:03 AM   #1719
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Saw this yesterday and thought of you!

What are your top 3 that you are considering and why?
Saw the Nightforce ad. Not nearly enough of a discount over new to that.

My choices:

Vortex PST, Weaver 1-5, SS 1-4 (or possibly hold out for the SS 1-6).

I was looking strongly at the SS, because I really liked the benefits of an FFP reticle. I eventually decided that it wasn't worth the cost on a 1-4 though as I'm much more likely to simply look at POI and move my reticle over by about that much. I also don't care for the reticle on the SS.

So, I ordered a PST (MOA, capped turrets) last night from Midway. After looking at actual pics of the reticle, the circular pieces aren't as obtrusive as I thought they would be. Plus, it sounds like Vortex's warranty is stellar.

I figure If I do decide to go FFP later on, the new SS 1-6 will be available, and until then, the money saved can be used for ammo to actually use the rifle with.
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I've used the PST 1-4 and its a great scope. I'm with you on not needing a FFP scope for a 1-4. I view a 1-4 as more of a general purpose combat oriented scope best used for ranges of 0-500 yards. At those ranges with a 100 or 200 yard zero the hold over is only a couple feet to make hits on a torso sized target.

Once you get up to a 1-6 or 2-10, where the higher magnification makes more precise shots possible the FFP really makes a difference.

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Old 10-25-2012, 01:54 AM   #1721
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That's a cute looking Nightforce.
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Old 10-25-2012, 11:29 AM   #1722
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Oh a 1-6x is a different ball of wax

But isnt that what everyone has in development now?


I would love to see your pst when it shows up!
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Old 10-28-2012, 02:42 AM   #1723
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What are ya'll's's opinion on the polymer AR lowers?

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For sure.
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Old 10-28-2012, 11:49 AM   #1724
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I have only held a plastic lower, never fired one

I am sure it will work just fine, but i would be afraid to drop or fall on it
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Old 10-28-2012, 09:11 PM   #1725
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[quote=shemoves;38370312]What are ya'll's's opinion on the polymer AR lowers?


BAAAAAAAADDDDDD IDEA.... They do NOT hold up when you run them hard, and if by some off the wall chance you have an ammunition failure (usually caused by reloads) you end up with pieces of gun left over. Ever seen a plastic bottle after a dry ice bomb? thats pretty much what they end up looking like...

not to mention that for what you can pick one of them (say a carbon 15) up for you might as well buy the parts and build a real one...
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