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Old 03-04-2010, 08:47 AM   #101
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Here's an unbiased review of it...
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Motorola Devour (Verizon Wireless)
REVIEW DATE: 02.25.10
BOTTOM LINE:
Motorola's latest Android phone for Verizon upgrades the Droid's keyboard, but downgrades the processor and screen. We say get a Droid instead.

PROS:
Great social networking integration. Good keyboard. Feels responsive.

CONS:
Cramped screen. So-so reception. Various media problems.

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Motorola Inc

SPEC DATA
Price: $99.99 List
Service Provider: Verizon Wireless
Operating System: Android OS
Screen Size: 3.1 inches
Screen Details: 320-by-480, 65K-color capacitive TFT LCD touch screen
Camera: Yes
Megapixels: 3 MP
802.11x: Yes
Bluetooth: Yes
Web Browser: Yes
Network: CDMA
Bands: 850, 1900
High-Speed Data: 1xRTT, EVDO Rev A
Processor Speed: 600 MHz
EDITOR RATING:

By Sascha Segan

The Motorola Devour is the best Twitter and Facebook phone for Verizon Wireless, thanks to Motorola's social networking-centric MotoBlur software. But although this Google Android smartphone has a good keyboard and strong call quality, its flaws—especially its low-res screen—lead us to continue recommending the Droid ($199.99 direct, ) as the best smartphone on Verizon.
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Hardware
The Motorola Devour is heavy (5.9 ounces), sizeable (4.6 by 2.4 by .6 inches HWD) phone, with a solid aluminum body and a great sliding mechanism. The screen slides out to the right to reveal the keyboard. Below the screen, there are three touch buttons and what appears to be a misplaced, off-center trackpad. The trackpad's position makes sense when you slide out the keyboard; it was put there so it could be usable in landscape as well as portrait mode.

The Devour's keyboard is much better than the Droid's—it is bumpy, clicky, and well-separated. Like the Droid's keyboard, it has four rows, but there's a big difference: the Devour has dedicated number keys along the top row, but sticks the space bar in the middle of the last row of letter keys. That's an acquired taste, but it's much more easily acquired than the Droid's abysmally flat, lifeless keys.

The Devour's 3.1-inch LCD screen is bright and responsive, and it's about the right size for its 320-by-480 resolution. But there we have the Devour's first major, potentially killer problem: you have literally half the screen real estate you have on the Droid. You see half as much of a Web page at the time and can only read half as many tweets. And especially with Motorola's busy MotoBlur home screen layout, screens often look cluttered.

The Devour's 600 MHz Qualcomm MSM7627, ARM11 processor performed as expected on benchmarks; noticeably faster than 528 MHz MSM7201 phones like the T-Mobile G1 ($179.00 list, ), but slower than the Samsung Moment ($179.99-$329.99 direct, ), Motorola Droid, and Google Nexus One ($179.99-$529.99 list, ). In real life, the interface felt perfectly snappy, but Web pages rendered a few seconds more slowly than on the Droid, and I got somewhat lower 3G download speeds on speed tests.

But because of the much lower resolution screen, games can actually run faster on the Devour than on the Droid. The Devour scored 31.2 fps on Qualcomm's Neocore gaming benchmark, where the Droid only got 20.8 fps—because the Droid has to push more than double the pixels.

Phone Performance
The Devour is a mediocre phone. RF signal strength was consistently weaker than the Motorola Droid's, in the same location. Voices were clear through the earpiece, but transmissions sometimes sounded muffled on the other end; at least they didn't transmit too much background noise. The speakerphone, on the bottom of the phone, works fine indoors but it's too quiet for outdoor use.

The Devour connected well with our Plantronics Voyager Pro ($99.99 list, ) Bluetooth headset, including activating voice dialing. But I found the Nuance voice dialing to be frustratingly inaccurate in recognizing names. Battery life was excellent, with seven and a half hours of talk time.

The Devour connects to Verizon's CDMA EVDO Rev. A network on the 850/1900 MHz bands or to Wi-Fi 802.11 b/g networks. Maximum download speeds reported by the XtremeLabs Speedtest program were around a megabit/second, which is fine, but I got consistently faster results on the Droid.

Software and MotoBlur
Android right now is a chaos of different versions; at this point you need to choose based on features, not on version numbers. The Devour runs Android 1.6 with MotoBlur, which gives it many of the features of Android 2.0, including Microsoft Exchange and Facebook account integration and Google Maps Navigation.

MotoBlur goes much further than stock Android does when it comes to merging your social-networking life into your phone. Blur delivers your Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter direct messages as e-mail and lets you look at the most recent updates to various services right on your home screen. Social networking info (including photos!) gets folded into your address book, and your Exchange calendar merges with your Google calendar on a single screen.

Other smartphones do some of this, but not all. The Droid, for instance, forces you to look at a second calendar app for your Exchange calendar, and while it syncs contacts with Facebook, it doesn't integrate MySpace or Twitter. The Palm webOS is good at combining contacts and calendars, but leaves you on your own for messaging.

You have two options for GPS navigation here: Verizon's $9.99-a-month VZ Navigator, which worked accurately and well with loud voice prompts, or Google's own free navigation software, which didn't respond to some of my requests and sometimes didn't give me voice prompts.

Motorola also threw Flash Lite into the Devour's Web browser, which lets it render some Flash graphics on pages that the Droid (and the iPhone) just leave blank.

Of course, you can forget about all the MotoBlur features and just use this as an Android phone. A range of Android Market applications worked just fine on the Devour, though you have to keep an eye on which apps are compatible with version 1.6 (as opposed to 1.5, 2.0, or 2.1.) You store your apps in the 192MB of built-in memory; for data, the phone comes with an 8GB microSD card or you can install a 16GB card.

Motorola hasn't announced when the Devour will get an update to a newer version of the OS.

Media Performance
The Devour is a decent media phone, but it's not as good as the Droid. The 3-megapixel camera has issues; while photos look superficially good thanks to good color and light balance, when you zoom in you see horrible artifacts and generally low resolution images. The video mode takes decent 640-by-480 videos at about 22 frames per second.

Music sounded fine either through the 3.5mm headphone jack or a pair of Bluetooth headphones, and the Devour is unusually good at syncing music with your PC. Not only does it sync with Windows Media Player, it will sync even protected, subscription music with Rhapsody. There's a built-in DLNA client that supposedly streams music to your TV, but like all DLNA clients, I found it totally impossible to use.

Videos were more of a mixed bag. Motorola gives away free video-syncing software called Motorola Media Link, and you should use it, as some of our stock MP4 files had lip sync problems, and one of our WMVs crashed the phone. The Devour seems to be pretty picky about codecs and bit rates.

Verizon also loads in their own V CAST video and music apps, which let you stream various videos for $10/month and download music for $1.99/song. Unfortunately, they're buggy. Videos of the TV show "Lost" had lip-sync problems, and my song purchases failed with an "Acquiring License" error.

Conclusions
There's a lot to like about the Motorola Devour. It's good looking, it has a great keyboard, battery life is excellent, and MotoBlur integrates social networking and various e-mail accounts well.

But I just can't get past that screen resolution issue. While the Motorola Droid's cold, spare interface isn't as fun to use, you can see a lot more of the world and the Web on an 854-by-480 screen—and it'll go by faster with the Droid's faster processor.

If you're looking for a kinder, sweeter interface than the Droid offers, the Palm Pre Plus ($149.99-$249.99 list, ) is a good alternative to the Devour. The Pre Plus has the same 480-by-320 resolution as the Devour does. Its webOS operating system offers more hand-holding than Android does, but at the cost of somewhat slower performance and a tiny physical keyboard.

The Motorola Devour is a good-looking phone with a social-networking focus. But at the end of the day, we'll pick more pixels and stick with the Droid.

Benchmark Test Results
Continuous Talk Time: 7 hours 29 minutes
So, the screen resolution is their hangup (it's the same res as my current phone) but no complaints about the speed of it. Call quality is mediocre.


Is there a way to disable the MotoBlur stuff on these phones? I don't do twitfacespacebook.
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:18 PM   #102
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Motorola Backflip doesn't allow non-Market apps, proves AT&T doesn't get Android

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...A year later, enter the Motorola Backflip -- AT&T's very first Android device. Does it hold true to de la Vega's principles? Well, it depends on whose glasses you read the statements through. Yes, true, it definitely doesn't have "primarily Google apps on it" thanks to the carrier's questionable decision to remove Google search and replace it with Yahoo -- but as for giving "customers the choice of other applications," that's another matter altogether. It seems that Backflips are being shipped without the ability to turn on non-Market installations, meaning that AT&T has effectively locked you into getting all of your content through the walled garden. Add in the Yahoo debacle and the egregious amount of unremovable crapware they've left in ROM, and we start to wonder: why did AT&T bother partnering up with Android if they weren't going to take it seriously? Certainly doesn't bode well for the Mini 3 and the rest of the pack, now, does it?
C/N: AT&T is full of fail and aids and syphilis.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/08/m...es-atandt-doe/

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AT&T is ****ing retarded.
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Old 03-08-2010, 06:31 PM   #104
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If they go through with this stupidity it will make my decision to ditch them much easier.

I mean, Yahoo? Seriously?

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If the go through with this stupidity it will make my decision to ditch them much easier.

I mean, Yahoo? Seriously?
Isn't yahoo using the Bing backend as well? Makes me wonder what the hell Yahoo is thinking...
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Opera Mini 5 beta is now available in the Market.

It's supposed to be very fast... and maybe it will eventually run flash!
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Old 03-11-2010, 02:14 PM   #107
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Opera Mini 5 and Opera Mobile 10 seem the same at least on my Win Mo. Both run flash and are better than Opera 9.
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Opera 5 Mini doesn't pinch-zoom.
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Opera 5 Mini doesn't pinch-zoom.
nope, no pinch zoom....but damn is it fast!
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Ok, one full day of Opera 5 Mini and here is my quicky review:

It is fast. Waaaay faster than the stock browser or even Steel on my G1. My phone is limited to AT&T's EDGE network, and for comparison I'd say that Opera on EDGE is 2-3 times faster than the stock browser on wifi. That fast. Pressing 'back' brings you pretty much instantaneously to the previous webpage, no lag.

No flash support yet... maybe we won't see this until Opera Mobile or Skyfire comes to Android (or when the native browser gets it).

Rolling the trackball activates a mouse pointer which is handy for clicking tiny links (like thread page # links in NASIOC) and if you scroll it while zoomed out on a page you get a moving rectangle that lets you select what part of the screen you want to zoom in on, which is neat but pointless since double-tapping is more intuitive.

Complaints? Fonts look a little funny but no big deal. Youtube links do not work yet... instead of launching the youtube player all I get is an error message. And when you scroll down a page, it doesn't "grab" the side of the screen, so unless you move your finger perfectly up/down it will scroll a bit to the side as well. I must say though that the scrolling is very fast and smooth.

All in all a great first release for a beta. This is my new default browser.
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I still prefer the stock 2.1 browser.
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If they go through with this stupidity it will make my decision to ditch them much easier.

I mean, Yahoo? Seriously?
Apparently you can still install non-market apps through ADB, but you shouldn't have to. The phone is still a giant piece of crap. It's not worth it.
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If you want an Android AT&T device (with 3G) your best bet if you're savvy enough is to pick up a Touch Diamond or Touch Pro 2 (or whatever AT&T is calling them) and install a 2.0 build on it. They're working pretty well at the moment.
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I still prefer the stock 2.1 browser.


Apparently you can still install non-market apps through ADB, but you shouldn't have to. The phone is still a giant piece of crap. It's not worth it.
I must admit the huge keyboard looked nice- but after seeing the rest of the specs (only a 528mhz CPU? The same as my old ass G1?), I am disappoint. And then there's all the AT&T bloatware.
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I must admit the huge keyboard looked nice- but after seeing the rest of the specs (only a 528mhz CPU? The same as my old ass G1?), I am disappoint. And then there's all the AT&T bloatware.
It's not the same CPU as the G1. It's a much more modern and better performing Qualcomm unit. Still though, it's not up to the task of running Moto's ****ty bloated-ass MotoBlur UI.
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If you want an Android AT&T device (with 3G) your best bet if you're savvy enough is to pick up a Touch Diamond or Touch Pro 2 (or whatever AT&T is calling them) and install a 2.0 build on it. They're working pretty well at the moment.
Or a Canadian Roger's phone

I'm not concerned, I'll be ditching them soon anyway. I only got the G1 because it was real cheap and I wanted to tinker with Android.
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Or a Canadian Roger's phone

I'm not concerned, I'll be ditching them soon anyway. I only got the G1 because it was real cheap and I wanted to tinker with Android.
Easier said than done. How did you get yours anyway?
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Easier said than done. How did you get yours anyway?
mine is just a t-mobile g1 (craigslist), hence why i can only use edge... but there are plenty of Rogers phones on ebay, I just didnt want to drop the coin since I want to ditch ATT anyway.
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I have zero complaints about T-Mobile so far. Their coverage for me is great and I save $30/mo with a better plan compared to an iPhone plan.
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Agreed, I'm very happy with TMO, I just happen to live in the boonies and have no 3G here.
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Agreed, I'm very happy with TMO, I just happen to live in the boonies and have no 3G here.
To be fair though, their EDGE speeds are MUCH better that AT&T's. I can attest to that having owned an iPhone on both networks.
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I'm hoping T-Mob lights up a few more towers around here before my AT&T contract is up. According to their coverage map they have no 3G here in my town, and no coverage period in some areas where I have to work. I'd love to switch to them though, since they have good phones and I would save 30 or 40 bucks a month with them.

Maybe I'll pick up a prepaid phone of their's to test out the service before I commit.
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Yeah so I went by wally world today and picked up a $15 T-Mobile pre-paid phone to see how signal is around my house. According to their coverage map I should be covered well for voice and EDGE.

In most of my house I get zero bars of service. If I go near my bedroom window I get 1 bar, if the wind blows just right I get 2. Switching to them is not looking like a viable option. Sucks.
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What was that update my g1 got yesterday?
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What was that update my g1 got yesterday?

Radio update or something, check tmonews.com
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I dunno... I don't get those
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