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Old 01-15-2010, 02:33 PM   #1
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Default Product design at Apple, the holy grail of design jobs?

So I have been contacted by Apple and had some preliminary phone talks with them about a design position on their iPod/iPhone team. I fit their bill, and they are pushing it forward. Certainly there is a long way to go before I come close to getting a job... but in the event that I had the chance, whats your take?

Certainly it would be a lot of money, but it would be a relocation across the country to the SF area, which I am not super keen on. I would leave my family (i am a 26 y/o guy, with a serious gf) and the area I know... for what many may consider the epitomy of product design positions. Certainly it would be hard work, long hours and many trips to China, but considering how widespread and loved their products are it would be a major career booster.

Would you guys go forward full steam for the money/prestige/resume bullet point of working there, or consider the personal options even in the face of a such a seemingly big opportunity? I am a little surprised at how hesitant I am on the whole thing, living life for a job (however elite it may be) has never been something I wanted to do. I am also working on a product design/engineer position at Hasbro, which would be my first choice most likely.

Part of me just has a hard time going back on things I told myself I didn't want to do, even if it is for one of the most elite design teams around.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:35 PM   #2
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Take the job, time to leave family behind and grow up.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #3
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Cover everything in white plastic. Slap an apple on it.

*success kid*

Make millions.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #4
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Well, working at Apple is said to be incredibly trying, incredibly stressful, and yet incredibly rewarding. You will be working long hours under huge pressure and probably getting yelled at a lot for being a complete failure, but Apple employees tend to be hugely loyal despite all that.

Will definitely have to be a decision you make for yourself, I'm sorry to say...
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #5
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send the girly a postcard when you get there
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #6
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So I have been contacted by Apple and had some preliminary phone talks with them about a design position on their iPod/iPhone team. I fit their bill, and they are pushing it forward. Certainly there is a long way to go before I come close to getting a job... but in the event that I had the chance, whats your take?

Certainly it would be a lot of money, but it would be a relocation across the country to the SF area, which I am not super keen on. I would leave my family (i am a 26 y/o guy, with a serious gf) and the area I know... for what many may consider the epitomy of product design positions. Certainly it would be hard work, long hours and many trips to China, but considering how widespread and loved their products are it would be a major career booster.

Would you guys go forward full steam for the money/prestige/resume bullet point of working there, or consider the personal options even in the face of a such a seemingly big opportunity? I am a little surprised at how hesitant I am on the whole thing, living life for a job (however elite it may be) has never been something I wanted to do.
Can you design the next one to let you delete individual call logs and use folders for data storage and actually open more than one app at a time?
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:36 PM   #7
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yes, do it, absolutely.

The girl can come with you or you can just find a new one. You're young and don't have kids, take advantage of any opportunity you can. the 20's are for working hard and establishing your career, your 30's and 40's are spend enjoying the fruits of your labor when you were younger.

The rest is cruise control after that
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:37 PM   #8
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absolutely go for it.

move woman out there with you, if you're so inclined. if not, get one last pump n dump and set course for cali. sf is beautiful and it's full of beautiful womenz.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:38 PM   #9
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1) Go for it. You only live with what you put the effort into/

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with a serious gf
Good luck with that. The hours will more than likely mean you will see less of her. It's going to be a decision to be made... if not now/soon, a little while into the job... her or the job.

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Old 01-15-2010, 02:38 PM   #10
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Windows is burying Apple in sales right now, and the Android platforms and ATT appear to be doing everything they can to bury the IPhone despite its popularity. I look at Apple the way I look at men in skin tight jeans and messenger bags...
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:38 PM   #11
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It's not a matter of not being able to leave my family and friends behind... it would just be the sellout point of living for a job and career advancement. I have friends that do this in other industries (finance) and I have told myself that enjoyment of my life and happiness would outweigh those type of things.

But if it means it puts me on the fast track to being an all star product designer and upping my salary 50%+, it complicates the matter
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:39 PM   #12
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This sounds like one of those decisions that if you turn it down you'll always wonder "what if".

Even if it sucks ass and you find yourself moving back home 6 months later, at least you'll move on knowing you gave it a shot.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:39 PM   #13
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Windows is burying Apple in sales right now, and the Android platforms and ATT appear to be doing everything they can to bury the IPhone despite its popularity. I look at Apple the way I look at men in skin tight jeans and messenger bags...
i'm glad we're not all as short-sighted as you.


alternative response: read about the iphone's future some time.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:40 PM   #14
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Are you a big fan of Apple and their products? Do you get excited when they announce the next gen is coming out for (insert Apple product here)?

Pretty much the people who tend to really love working there despite the challenges are the kind that love Apple. If you aren't an Apple kind of guy, its likely to be just another job.

You are young and have no wife/kids so now would be the time to take the job and work there 2-3 years for the experience/resume bullet if you are going to do it though. Unless your Hasbro job is very likely and on the horizon in this calendar year, I personally would take the Apple job and deal with whatever for a few years just to get the career benefit.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:44 PM   #15
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Trust me. A fun/rewarding career is worth far more than you can imagine. If you don't do it, you'll regret it for the rest of your life.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:49 PM   #16
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I would take the job and leave.

<--- left the country for an opportunity.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:51 PM   #17
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Do it. I moved 1,500 miles away from home for a similar opportunity. I don't regret it, and you probably won't either.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:52 PM   #18
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Take the job, time to leave family behind and grow up.
Ah, you're one of those "my family hates me, so everyone that has a good family that gets along and enjoys eachothers' company is childish" types of sad people.

Poor you.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:54 PM   #19
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I hate apple. I'd do it in a heart beat. That's an epic opportunity that you should not turn down. Drag the girl along if she is that awesome - if not, have you seen what trolls around SF?

HOT BITCHES

And you would be designing all the products THEY are GETting WET for. Win (scenery (chicks)), Win (prestigious design team), Win ($)

To clerify. Hot Bitches and WinX3
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And burn iTunes to the ****ing ground.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:55 PM   #21
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If the Hasbro job comes through I would take that over any opportunity in the world. That would be my ideal job without question, as I am a transformers fan boy and customize them in my spare time. I want to be the head man for that brand.

anything else pretty much, Apply may trump it hands down
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:56 PM   #22
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I hate apple. I'd do it in a heart beat. That's an epic opportunity that you should not turn down. Drag the girl along if she is that awesome - if not, have you seen what trolls around SF?

HOT BITCHES

And YOU would be designing all the products they are getting wet for. Win (scenery (chicks)), Win (prestigious design team), Win ($)

To clerify. Hot Bitches and WinX3
don't forget that women in SF are easy targets, too! I once had a bartender out there tell me that women there are very aggressive when it comes to meeting guys and dating, because so many of the men they meet turn out to be gay
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don't forget that women in SF are easy targets, too! I once had a bartender out there tell me that women there are very aggressive when it comes to meeting guys and dating, because so many of the men they meet turn out to be gay
that's epic, lol.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:58 PM   #24
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I think you'd be a fool not to. Opportunities like this don't come around often (venture I say once in a lifetime ).

As someone else said, the worst that happens is you hate it and move back home (though I would imagine if you left your current job it wouldn't necessarily be there when you get back and you'd have to find one).


But its stil worth it. Good luck!
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Do this.
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