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Old 08-05-2010, 03:19 PM   #151
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Thanks... On it's way. UPS says it will be there on Monday.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:13 PM   #152
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Thanks... On it's way. UPS says it will be there on Monday.
Got it as promised. Great customer service. Product fits great with no issues.

The install was one of the hardest DIY projects I've done.
I removed the jack plate, but did not touch the exhaust, and did not jack up the motor. I did have to remove the heat shield on the left stock header. I removed the pan with 2 swivel joints and 1/4" socket and extensions. Removing the pan bolts wasn't the problem. Removing the pan however was extremely difficult. Rubber malletting it and using a screwdriver to pry (which you shouldn't do) and kicking wouldn't budge the pan.

Finally got it off using an xacto blade from a hobby shop, and needle nose pliers to hold and maneuver it. I cut the gasket seal in all the places i could and pulled down holding tension. It finally came off. I was able to place the new pickup tube in place (without the pan) with the screws very lightly threaded in. Once the pickup tube was loosely attached, I then maneuvered the pan with new gasket material into place. With the pan angled just right about 30 to 40 degrees, i had access to further tighten the 3 pickup screws. Then pushed on the pan to seal and tightened all the pan bolts

For me, it took 3 hours x 3 days to complete it. If you're doing it alone, i would make sure i had a backup car in the meantime. I had to bang out the pan and flatten the lip which i mucked up and then paint it. So this took time. The easiest way for me to remove the gasket material once the pan was off was with my dremel and a steel brush. I used black RTV to seal, others have used grey

Been running for a week with no leaks. My OEM tube was fine but now I don't have to wonder or worry.
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Old 08-20-2010, 11:18 PM   #153
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just got my killer b pickup in today looks great cant wait to get the engine together and install this beast thanks for the great looking product killer b!!!!!!
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:08 PM   #154
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Thanks for the kind words guys!! No more worries for you
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Old 08-21-2010, 05:08 PM   #155
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Got it as promised. Great customer service. Product fits great with no issues.

The install was one of the hardest DIY projects I've done.
I removed the jack plate, but did not touch the exhaust, and did not jack up the motor. I did have to remove the heat shield on the left stock header. I removed the pan with 2 swivel joints and 1/4" socket and extensions. Removing the pan bolts wasn't the problem. Removing the pan however was extremely difficult. Rubber malletting it and using a screwdriver to pry (which you shouldn't do) and kicking wouldn't budge the pan.

Finally got it off using an xacto blade from a hobby shop, and needle nose pliers to hold and maneuver it. I cut the gasket seal in all the places i could and pulled down holding tension. It finally came off. I was able to place the new pickup tube in place (without the pan) with the screws very lightly threaded in. Once the pickup tube was loosely attached, I then maneuvered the pan with new gasket material into place. With the pan angled just right about 30 to 40 degrees, i had access to further tighten the 3 pickup screws. Then pushed on the pan to seal and tightened all the pan bolts

For me, it took 3 hours x 3 days to complete it. If you're doing it alone, i would make sure i had a backup car in the meantime. I had to bang out the pan and flatten the lip which i mucked up and then paint it. So this took time. The easiest way for me to remove the gasket material once the pan was off was with my dremel and a steel brush. I used black RTV to seal, others have used grey

Been running for a week with no leaks. My OEM tube was fine but now I don't have to wonder or worry.
I had the dealer install mine and it is great, just like you I have peace of mind now
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Old 08-22-2010, 09:26 PM   #156
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I was thinking of buying an equal length header. Will the header fit even if I have the KB oil pan?

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Old 08-22-2010, 10:24 PM   #157
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YES, all headers fit. Especially our header... when it's done.
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Old 08-23-2010, 03:14 PM   #158
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Nice. This thread is going to inspire my next oil change to include Killer B's pick up line ontop of the Moroso oil pan.

Good save! Thanks for the heads up and motivation.
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Old 08-23-2010, 05:06 PM   #159
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Our pickup does not work with the moroso pan. Thier design is based of the older EJ20 oil pans. We do however make a kick butt oil pan (RIGHT HERE) to go with the pickup
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Old 08-24-2010, 12:28 AM   #160
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YES, all headers fit. Especially our header... when it's done.
When? I want the equal length one. Give me a special introductory price.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:03 AM   #161
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hey again was a wondering reminder if you guys every made the custom metal oil fill tube yet??pm me if so!
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Old 08-24-2010, 02:48 PM   #162
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When? I want the equal length one. Give me a special introductory price.
Shoot me a PM. The first batch is going to be small. Most are already spoken for.

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hey again was a wondering reminder if you guys every made the custom metal oil fill tube yet??pm me if so!
Yes... All the parts are here we just need time to weld it up. Soon!!
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Old 09-04-2010, 12:44 AM   #163
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anyone running the covert oil pick ups?
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Old 09-04-2010, 01:34 AM   #164
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Your EL header fit Moroso Oil Pan?
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Old 09-04-2010, 06:57 AM   #165
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Your EL header fit Moroso Oil Pan?
I've never test fit that pan to our headers, but based on all the header fitment issues it has, I'd say no. It definitly fits our oil pan
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Old 09-04-2010, 02:48 PM   #166
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Moroso oil pan fits most headers. I know many who have them and no issues. You make a Aluminum oil pan? Should make one out of Aluminum. Might sell more pans because I know that was the reason I went with the Moroso over your oil pan!

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Old 09-04-2010, 04:07 PM   #167
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Moroso oil pan fits most headers. I know many who have them and no issues. You make a Aluminum oil pan? Did not think so, should make one out of Aluminum. Might sell more pans because I know that was the reason I went with the Moroso over your oil pan!
Ummm... our oil pans are aluminum, hold more oil, fit ALL headers, do not leak, work with OEM dipstick, have no moving parts that can stick open (or closed, or wear), etc., etc... And we sell LOTS of them
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:09 PM   #168
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I hate to sound like a broken record based on a lot of other comments in here, but do you know if the '11's part numbers have changed at all for this? Seems silly that after all the time, Subaru still hasn't changed the design.
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Old 11-08-2010, 05:30 PM   #169
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As far as I know it has not changed. Subaru doesn't make this part, it's manufactured by an OEM for Subaru.
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Old 11-09-2010, 01:10 AM   #170
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I hate to sound like a broken record based on a lot of other comments in here, but do you know if the '11's part numbers have changed at all for this? Seems silly that after all the time, Subaru still hasn't changed the design.
Cos with a change in design comes the indirect admission of guilt and the fact that a problem was present - and Subaru does not want to play that game.

On the other hand, I bought my KB pickup from Fred Beans a few weeks ago and my mechanic is installing it tommorrow. Will let you know if I see any cracks or premature wear. This is my first mod and IMO should be everyone's first mod too!
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Old 11-09-2010, 02:45 AM   #171
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Cos with a change in design comes the indirect admission of guilt and the fact that a problem was present - and Subaru does not want to play that game.

On the other hand, I bought my KB pickup from Fred Beans a few weeks ago and my mechanic is installing it tommorrow. Will let you know if I see any cracks or premature wear. This is my first mod and IMO should be everyone's first mod too!
I agree
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:39 AM   #172
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I thought it was odd to be listed in the factory service manual troubleshooting section under "loss of oil pressure". Not something I've seen in a factory manual before.

With a design change thay can always claim there were other reasons for the change; cost, performance, etc... Tought to place blame there.
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Old 11-09-2010, 06:59 AM   #173
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I didn't read all the posts in this thread but am considering installing this, as well as converting to an Sti pan.
My questions are:
The difficult part of the installation seems to be removing the old pan, because many are saving it ? If I don't have to worry about saving the pan, will this make my installation easier?

Once you cut off the old pan, if you have the jacking plate off and the pan is now loose, is it still difficult to manoeuver the pan off of the engine, or at this point it slides off, doesn't wedge into anything?

Once you have the new pick-up in, you have to put the screws in loosely because the pan will wedge between the pick-up and something else?

With this technique, can you see if the pick-up is seated properly on the block, as you tighten it?

Do you guys find a lot of sludge at the bottom of the pan and on the inlet of the old pick-up?
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Old 11-09-2010, 08:48 AM   #174
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I didn't read all the posts in this thread but am considering installing this, as well as converting to an Sti pan.
My questions are:
The difficult part of the installation seems to be removing the old pan, because many are saving it ? If I don't have to worry about saving the pan, will this make my installation easier?

Once you cut off the old pan, if you have the jacking plate off and the pan is now loose, is it still difficult to manoeuver the pan off of the engine, or at this point it slides off, doesn't wedge into anything?

Once you have the new pick-up in, you have to put the screws in loosely because the pan will wedge between the pick-up and something else?

With this technique, can you see if the pick-up is seated properly on the block, as you tighten it?

Do you guys find a lot of sludge at the bottom of the pan and on the inlet of the old pick-up?
I wouldn't cut the pan off, but you can definitely pry on the flange a lot more if you don't care about deforming it.

The jacking plate doesn't gain you any room. You get a wee bit more by removing the front jacking plate bolts, but not much.

Remove the manifold and raise the motor ~1" and you can get in there no problem.

Our pickup has a raised lip so it self centers on the inlet, and the torque spec is so low so you can see and get a small wrench/ratchet in there.

If the motor is up high enough you can get the pickup tight before putting the pan on. If not, put the pickup flange bolts on loose (leave the leg bolts off), then dangle the pan from the pickup and put the pickup leg bolts in and then tighten all bolts and fasten the pan. Last few times I've done this I've put the liquid gasket on the block and it made for a lot less mess

I've not seen anything exciting in the bottom of the pan, but do occasionally see some assembly crud on the pickup screen.
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Old 11-09-2010, 11:00 AM   #175
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just want to thank KillerB Motorsports for this awesome mod. I've been posting in the other oil pickup failure thread but since I came across this one, I figure I chime in and remind those still on the borderline to replace this. If you have to foot the bill to repair/replace the engine, it'll cost in the thousands vs. less than $200 for this mod. Hey, look out for other vendors who sell KillerB's oil pickup, they might have a veteran's day sale. I bought the oil pickup from Fred Beans parts during their Labor Day Sale for like $160. I was actually recommended to go to KillerB's vendors for cheaper prices since they buy them in bulk.
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