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Old 01-25-2010, 05:27 PM   #1
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Default anyone using these aftermarket 04-05 projector headlights?

was just cruising around the forums and an ad for dash z 04-05 projector headlights popped up in the upper right corner. thought i'd check it out since i have an 04 and have never seen anything but morettes or retrofits available for 04-05's. anyone have any review on these? i know they look kinda cheap-o but for $350, i would hope they would be at least semi nice

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Old 01-25-2010, 06:00 PM   #2
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prefrect base for a retro. First time I've seen 04-05 aftermarkets other than morettes. Those use a H3 bulb for lows which is what a fog light uses....They are basically crap and overpriced. I couldnt imagine how horrible it would be with HID too.
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I just noticed that too im curious as well
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Old 01-25-2010, 07:19 PM   #4
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prefrect base for a retro. First time I've seen 04-05 aftermarkets other than morettes. Those use a H3 bulb for lows which is what a fog light uses....They are basically crap and overpriced. I couldnt imagine how horrible it would be with HID too.
ya i guess i didn't even see they took h3's! thats dumb. seems like these ought to be priced more like the bugeye crappers on ebay.
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:26 PM   #5
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curious as to why they are using h3's..? with the hid's you'd think it would be the d2r bulbs.. funny that those projectors caught my eye as well..
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Old 01-25-2010, 08:46 PM   #6
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Couldnt you just buy the headlights and not the bulb... then buy a better bulb seperate or am I not understanding this?
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:04 PM   #7
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you don't understand... the light optics are built so they accept a certain bulb base, and the H3 bulb base is for H3 bulbs which use a transversely mounted filament... it's the same as some household halogen lamps.

no H3 based reflector is ever going to be properly designed for hid, because that's a halogen bulb type. these may be a good base for a retro, but they're still going to look cheap and silly. OEM is always better and when it comes to safety equipment like lighting, it's better to use OEM than to use something of a lower grade... even when it's just the housing.

my ebay retrofits with wrx h7 projectors were a handful of trouble because they weren't sealed and they were meant for awful optics. i had a bulb explode on me in a snowstorm because they weren't sealed right. when you have an OEM lamp and you do a retrofit, you are at least positive that the housing is of good quality and you don't have to go making your own weatherproofing, or rely on cheap lamps to be adequately sealed and fit.
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Old 01-26-2010, 05:21 PM   #8
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ohh ok i was confused of what H3 actually was
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Old 01-26-2010, 10:07 PM   #9
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figures.....after blob eyes are out for 6 years, we finally get an affordable set of aftermarket projector headlights and they are ghey...
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too bad.. this is the only aftermarket option I have ever seen, except the Morrettes which are impossibly expensive, even used, if you can find them & like them.

The look of these from Dash Z are workable,.., their bulb choice is disheartening.

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Old 01-27-2010, 10:35 AM   #11
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you don't understand... the light optics are built so they accept a certain bulb base, and the H3 bulb base is for H3 bulbs which use a transversely mounted filament... it's the same as some household halogen lamps.

no H3 based reflector is ever going to be properly designed for hid, because that's a halogen bulb type. these may be a good base for a retro, but they're still going to look cheap and silly. OEM is always better and when it comes to safety equipment like lighting, it's better to use OEM than to use something of a lower grade... even when it's just the housing.

my ebay retrofits with wrx h7 projectors were a handful of trouble because they weren't sealed and they were meant for awful optics. i had a bulb explode on me in a snowstorm because they weren't sealed right. when you have an OEM lamp and you do a retrofit, you are at least positive that the housing is of good quality and you don't have to go making your own weatherproofing, or rely on cheap lamps to be adequately sealed and fit.

Handsdown, since you are obviously WAY more in the know than I am... let me ask you this...

The OE MY04 uses H1 lows, 9005 highs, & H3 fogs & all are 55w rated, I am going to assume that the reflector/lens package is what gives the final effect, correct? Working off what you said above, the bulb fitment is a "housing" decision not a bub's ability to project light. Correct?

The reason I am asking this & in this way: if the bulb "series" choice is a packaging decision, as long as the relfector/lens package is designed correctly, the H3 @ 55w is no different then an H1 being moved over for High beam duty, correct? Like the difference between the reflector/lens package between fog vs driving lamps. We all use the term "fog light" interchangeably, when in reality a fog design produces a DRASTICALLY different pattern than a driving light.

I am just trying to get my head around if there is really aa "negative" to using the 55w H3 vs a 55w H1 in any location in the lamp assembly, as long as the individual locations are designed correctly.

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^ look up the difference in size between H3 and a 9005. The difference in the high is that it sits in an open reflector.
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^ ok.. as I said, what 3 different times... As long as the reflector/lens combination is designed properly, aka putting the bulb, based on its size in the right spot by design, then there should be no difference between H1, H3, or 9005.. that is what I am asking...

I understand that all 3 of the bulbs in question are drastically different sizes/configurations... that's kinda the point... is there truly a difference in the way each of those bulbs USE the 55w or is it all in the reflector/lens package.


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i see what you are saying, but since these are basically like having our fog lights in the headlight, the lighting has gotta blow compared to the stock headlights with the h1's. imagine moving your fog lights up about a foot and only using them to see.

i can't believe they don't put in a decent projector that would take a better bulb like maybe whats in the 06-07 headlights.
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the main difference is that H3's filament is transverse, it goes from side to side in the bulb instead of axial, bottom to top, like an H1.

there's a small difference in the output of the bulb itself, but you're right that the main difference is in the quality of the housing/reflector.

the oem subaru reflector is much better designed for its h1 lamp than ANY non-oem H3 projector i've ever seen. granted, i haven't seen this particular one... but judging from the look of the lamp i don't have high expectations.

a much better idea would be to use hella 60mm 9005 lamps in place of the h3 projectors, or just do a retrofit with oem lamps.
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thanks Handsdown.. the key is that for the 04-05 cars... there is NOTHING besides used or STi/JDM HID's which are stupid crazy $$...

thanks again for your reply
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someone buy these so i know there crap, the chrome ones don't look that bad :/ hahaha
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It would be so much easier to swap some nice HID projectors into these instead of trying to mount some in the stock peanut eye reflectors. Of course these come out AFTER I sell my 05
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I am weighing the options.... I have to buy a pair of 04-05 lights..

OE HID's best I can do is $800pr........... WTF w/that

OE reg best I can do is $200 EACH........ WTF w/that & still buy new bulbs?

My Pass. light is scuffed badly... I found an equally scuffed driver's light on this forum (thanks) for a great price.. but after the car is ll repainted & done... the lights will stick out like pimps on the front...

$350, if the reflector/lens is decent is not terrible. Its the ONLY 04-05 aftermarket Headlight option I have found besides the ultra-rare & not-attractive, Morrettes...

Thinking hard....

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I am weighing the options.... I have to buy a pair of 04-05 lights..

OE HID's best I can do is $800pr........... WTF w/that

OE reg best I can do is $200 EACH........ WTF w/that & still buy new bulbs?

My Pass. light is scuffed badly... I found an equally scuffed driver's light on this forum (thanks) for a great price.. but after the car is ll repainted & done... the lights will stick out like pimps on the front...

$350, if the reflector/lens is decent is not terrible. Its the ONLY 04-05 aftermarket Headlight option I have found besides the ultra-rare & not-attractive, Morrettes...

Thinking hard....

Rob

Just got an 04 and the headlights are screwed up. They're not sealed right after a "clearing" job, and only the high beams work now. Supposedly everything worked fine for about a week after the clear out job. Anyways, I've got too much other maintenance to do, to fork out 800 some bucks for a good set of lights, I'm thinking of buying these, then adding some aux. lighting, maybe changing the bulbs out... I dunno yet
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$309 On ebay shipped, getting tempting... I have a pair of H1 Audi AllRoad Projectors I am tempted to swap in.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-...ht_6794wt_1007
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$309 On ebay shipped, getting tempting... I have a pair of H1 Audi AllRoad Projectors I am tempted to swap in.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-...ht_6794wt_1007
I would love to see these retrofitted with some true HID projectors, at least the low beams. If you do it, I'll do it too..... right after you're done (and you post your results) hehe
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I've been doing some serious research on this entire "deal"...


OE ratings
9005 high beam 1700 lumen @ 55w
H1 low beam 1550 lumen @ 55w
H3 fog/driving 1450 lumen @ 55w

So, based on that "objective" data.. Assuming a properly designed reflector/housing design, using the H3 bulb in place of the H1 represents 94% of the lumen value to OE. & using the H1 in the high beam location is 92% of the 9005.

However, it is said that properly designed "projector" housings can offer a 10%+ gain in the same given halogen bulb. Not even going to touch HID...

just some fodder to chew on.

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Moderator: can you merge these 2 threads?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1927139&page=2
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