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Old 02-05-2010, 04:34 PM   #26
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The iPhone/iPod Touch OS already supports listening to and controlling music while running other apps. For the most part it's only running 3rd party Apps simultaneously that you can't do. If an App doesn't allow music functions it's because they programmer was lazy. The API allows for it 100%. Except for a few tasks (like keeping chat/IM connections active), most things you'd want to do on the iPhone/iPod Touch aren't really the sorts of things you would want running in the background.

My 3GS can play and control music while using Navigon GPS (8Gb of maps on the phone) and will still push email in the background and pause the music to answer calls. Granted, it will exit the App you are using during the phone call.. but immediately after hanging up it will resume the App where you left off.

The way some people talk about it, they apparently think the iPhone can't do any two things at once.
It is extremely limited on the iPhone and iPod Touch and it's that way for a reason...to preserve battery life. Yes, certain things you can do at the same time, but the vast majority you can't. With the iPad it is even more uncertain as you will be able to use iWorks on the unit and nobody has a clue to date if you'll be able to work with those programs and have them all open at the same time, which if you're using it for quick editing of files is pretty important.

Compared to an Android OS phone the iPhone is a POS when it comes to running multiple applications.
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Old 02-06-2010, 12:36 PM   #27
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Then everything would rely on having a connection unless you just want the content you brought in the car with you. This just brings us right back to the CarPC thing but with an Apple device. The need for amplification and audio processing is important, I highly doubt the sound quality from the iPad is going to be astounding, nor will it have enough to drive an amp on it's own.

There are tablet PCs now that could accomplish what the OP wants to do with the iPad.
Yeah i have a CarPC setup right now. Just using the headphone out jack to the amp inputs works fine for getting audio to your system. So yes, the iPad would control the ICE.

I was planning on jailbreaking / tethering my iPhone's 3G connection to the iPad. I hope it doesn't require the 3G version of the iPad, but it may. Not sure the GPS differences between the two of them either.

Great to hear that Navigon was programmed to allow music in the background. Now if we can get some split screen action going, the possibilities really open up.

One thing that I didn't consider is power on/off. Right now I have the 12V pulse line turn on/off my carputer setup - just spliced it right off of the stock radio line. When you turn off power to the iPad, you're just turning off the CHARGING of the iPad... it will still be on and running. Though they did say it can survive for a month if it's left idle. Who knows.

The real make/break for me is if we can have multiple 3rd party apps run at once. Yes, it can do music/3rd party. But I really want it to read in from the OBDII port and have a HUD of boost/pressures/temps/whatever at the same time as Navigon is running while music is playing. Perhaps greedy?
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Old 02-06-2010, 01:20 PM   #28
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Just wait a few months after release. It'll be jailbroken and it appears that the 3G chipset is simply software/firmware controlled...it's actually there on the WiFi models just not activated.
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Just wait a few months after release. It'll be jailbroken and it appears that the 3G chipset is simply software/firmware controlled...it's actually there on the WiFi models just not activated.
Are you sure about the hardware being there? I ask because that would change the BOM cost and the people who are likely to build this product (I would guess Foxconn) can save a LOT of money without the hardware being on board. 3G hardware is almost $10 at build cost.
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From what I've heard yes, but I can't confirm yet as nobody has ripped one apart yet. $10 is expensive for 3G units. It's less than $7 for most of the 3G chips.
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There are tablet PCs now that could accomplish what the OP wants to do with the iPad.
Please point me to the other tablets on the market that have a capacitive multi-touch screen, a near-instant standby-to-power-on time (no booting every time you start the car) and solid-state (vibration resistant) construction.

... I'll wait.
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Old 02-10-2010, 12:47 PM   #32
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I think something like the iPad, but not the iPad itself, would be a perfect fit for ICE and other things.

Someone could make a lot of money if they would take a small, fast-booting, Tegra 2-based board (or other machine similar to the Cortex A9-based "A4" Apple chip) running Android and put some slick car software on it, then sold it as a head unit with fold-out display screen.

This is the kind of thing you could drop a 3G internet access dongle on, or have it tether to a 3G-enabled phone over BT if you wanted for things like real-time traffic reports. Hell, even streaming audio is possible over EDGE and 3G -- I've listened to Sirius satellite radio on my iPhone 3GS on long trips with it cutting out only a few times here and there. Throw in a cheap FM radio chip and you're pretty much good to go.

There are so many possibilities; it just seems like it's next to impossible to get a company to commit to BUILDING something like this. This is commodity hardware; it's not THAT expensive. Even if you factor in the need for cooling (could easily be done with a small fan, or just remote the head and put the main body in a trunk or something) it's not that expensive.
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:37 PM   #33
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Love it or hate it, my prototype came in today

2006 STi running A/V + Nav off of iPad 3G

(note, the prototype HAS NOT been finished/painted... this was just a fit/function check)

Custom bezel snaps right into place of OEM bezel, using same mounts/screws. HVAC transfers over the same. Nothing changes.

You can see I"m using the iPad dock. I have power coming in over a simple USB connection spliced into my cig lighter, so I'm charged/charging at all times. Headphone out jack to equalizer to amp.

Empty: (There will be a adhesive foam logo in the negative space for a little more style/protection)


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Oh Wow!!!!!! where did you get that made?
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:27 PM   #36
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How's the glare on that while driving around?
(not meant as a jab, but a real question)
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Please point me to the other tablets on the market that have a capacitive multi-touch screen, a near-instant standby-to-power-on time (no booting every time you start the car) and solid-state (vibration resistant) construction.

... I'll wait.
Back a few years ago, there was a company called TabletKiosk that produced a tablet made for professional uses, not entertainment. The units were not inexpensive like the iPad, but are much more powerful with storage in the hundreds of gigabytes and using dual core processors. I'm pretty sure they are still around and I would imagine they could support Windows 7 as well. You don't have to wait for a long boot time if you use the standy or hibernate feature. We all know that the Apple devices require complete shutdown every so often to clear it's memory or it will take care of it for you by means of a crash.

The TabletKiosk wasn't complete solid state, but I wouldn't be one to say that the iPad is capable of sustaining too much vibration either.
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Why don't you get a Lilliput screen and a real carputer setup? That way you can do whatever you want. I've been thinking about it, especially having a carputer hooked up to a tactrix cable which, through Romraider or some custom programming, could display virtual gauges a la the Nissan Skyline. And you could have a completely customizable sound system as well.

This site is what inspired me to consider it strongly:
http://www.mechatroniks.com/wrx/index.html
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Old 04-30-2010, 11:45 PM   #39
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Oh Wow!!!!!! where did you get that made?
I had it rapid prototyped through RedEyeOnDemand (google it). I did all the CAD design. Production will be starting soon and I'll let you know when/where you can pick it up.

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How's the glare on that while driving around?
(not meant as a jab, but a real question)
Surprisingly not that bad, but today was the first day with it, so limited exposure. I did consider it and it may be an issue. I don't necessarily want to buy a matte overlay, but if it's needed, I'll obviously do it (versus going blind while driving ).

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Why don't you get a Lilliput screen and a real carputer setup? That way you can do whatever you want. I've been thinking about it, especially having a carputer hooked up to a tactrix cable which, through Romraider or some custom programming, could display virtual gauges a la the Nissan Skyline. And you could have a completely customizable sound system as well.

This site is what inspired me to consider it strongly:
http://www.mechatroniks.com/wrx/index.html
I have a Lilliput 629NP run by an intel mac mini. Can do all the stuff you're mentioning. This was really a project that I just wanted to do.

Overall, the install for this is CAKE compared to the lilliput. Instead of PSU, Computer, Display, wiring up the wazoo, new mounting hardware, GPS antenna, FM-USB adapter, and more... you now have: iPad, iPad Dock, Bezel. Splice off of the cigarette lighter to any $10 USB car adapter and you have power. I also spent over $1200 getting my Lilliput system set up. This price point is $630 for 3G iPad, $30 for iPad dock, $150 for bezel (probable price), $10 for USB adapter = $820. SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper and much much easier to set up and get running... and it's not just a carputer... I can take it out w/ me.

Also, I'm running Rev2.0 with a wireless OBDII port. I can display gauges and monitor any/all engine statistics realtime with this. Rev also allows me to log track days, do skid pad tests, track autocross routes, along with functioning as a myriad of gauges... all while running Pandora (well, when 4.0 comes to the iPad )
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Looks great. Multi tasking comes in September for the iPad correct?
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Someone could steal that in an Instant though easily. Find some way to lock it or just hide it
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jr4284: maybe you can line the inside area with some feaux suede to keep the ipad from getting scratched? also, can you still control volume while going through the dock? as far as glare, im using a powersupport antiglare overlay and it has helped tremendously with glare from the sun.
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Someone could steal that in an Instant though easily. Find some way to lock it or just hide it
Only an idiot would leave the itampon in the car. The idea is that you can undock and leave with it.
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I would just like to say that is Awesome! So when do the kits for the 02-03 come out?
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The iPhone/iPod Touch OS already supports listening to and controlling music while running other apps. For the most part it's only running 3rd party Apps simultaneously that you can't do. If an App doesn't allow music functions it's because they programmer was lazy. The API allows for it 100%. Except for a few tasks (like keeping chat/IM connections active), most things you'd want to do on the iPhone/iPod Touch aren't really the sorts of things you would want running in the background.

My 3GS can play and control music while using Navigon GPS (8Gb of maps on the phone) and will still push email in the background and pause the music to answer calls. Granted, it will exit the App you are using during the phone call.. but immediately after hanging up it will resume the App where you left off.

The way some people talk about it, they apparently think the iPhone can't do any two things at once.

My Kenwood head unit, which costs less than the cheapest iPad, can play music, while the GARMIN gps (which is the industry leader in GPS) is telling you where to go, and if a call comes in, will mute both and allow you to answer the call. It wont exit the music or the GPS, and will automatically just go right back to what it was doing when you hang up.

A normal HU that goes in with a lot less work is more capable.




Dont get me wrong, I think an iPad in the car would be cool, and I would LOVE to see it done, but lets get realistic, its not a great option for an in car phone, gps, or radio. In fact, its a pretty piss poor option.
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jr4284: maybe you can line the inside area with some feaux suede to keep the ipad from getting scratched? also, can you still control volume while going through the dock? as far as glare, im using a powersupport antiglare overlay and it has helped tremendously with glare from the sun.
You cannot control the volume through the dock, which came as a big surprise. You have to run audio out from the dock to an equalizer, and then to your amp(s).

I have foam being die cut to fit in the "negative area" you can see in the first pic. It will also go on the back side of the retainer tabs.

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Only an idiot would leave the itampon in the car. The idea is that you can undock and leave with it.
I will be undocking it and also building in a hiding spot in/under the glovebox if i go to a ballgame or something.

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I would just like to say that is Awesome! So when do the kits for the 02-03 come out?
Haha glad interest is so high. 02-03 isn't until well after the 08-current, which will be months after the 05-07s.

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Thanks. I appreciate all the feedback (both good and bad). I want myth busters to see if it's a deathPad.
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You cannot control the volume through the dock, which came as a big surprise. You have to run audio out from the dock to an equalizer, and then to your amp(s)
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So you would need like an audison bit one or Rockford 360 to bring the line out voltage level up, control volume, and pass through an amp to f/r/sub channels.

I don't mind being a tester if you need another one?!
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Old 05-01-2010, 07:26 PM   #49
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We all know that the Apple devices require complete shutdown every so often to clear it's memory or it will take care of it for you by means of a crash.

The TabletKiosk wasn't complete solid state, but I wouldn't be one to say that the iPad is capable of sustaining too much vibration either.
Not really. Pick up a $1 memory scrubber and you never have to turn the thing off.

I've dropped mine a few times already on the airplane and so far I haven't had any issues. Don't want to to continue testing that theory though
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So you would need like an audison bit one or Rockford 360 to bring the line out voltage level up, control volume, and pass through an amp to f/r/sub channels.

I don't mind being a tester if you need another one?!
Errr, not bring the voltage up, actually. I'm nearly deaf now. You lose ability to modulate volume using the audio out port of the iPad dock.

While an equalizer is what does this, it's overkill for me. I'm not an audiophile, and currently there's no way to extract optical audio from the iPad (though I am hopeful). What I'm really looking for is a simple volume control ability -- Ideally one that I can steering wheel mount or is small enough to fit in one of my pop out placeholders to the left of the steering column.

If you have an extra Audison bit one, I'll be happy to test it out for you! What I make, though, is the bezel. I wouldn't dream of selling the iPad or any Apple accessories. Not only is the "Apple Added Value Reseller" a PITA tag to get, but I don't want to take on the liability when someone inevitably crashes while watching a movie and decides it was my fault. F that game.

Edit: I think I'm just talking about a Line Level Controller, no? Like this: http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_amps.php?amp_id=446

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