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Old 02-01-2010, 09:59 PM   #1
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Question Map for towing? (06 WRX VF39)

I have a protuned car from Jorge at P&L and i really dont want to get rid of the tune or the turbo for daily driving, but i need something for towing 2 bikes for going up north for the weekend.

I am looking for a map that wont suck fuel like a bastard with towing a small load.
I dont mind sticking with 93 octane i'm thinking that i just need to back the boost out a bit...


Anyone done this yet with good success?

Edit for the idiot below ... I am towing motorcycles. Thus the small load.
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Old 02-02-2010, 03:34 PM   #2
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Map for towing?
I have used a bike rack with 2 bikes with an ots stage 2 maps going to New Hampshire with no problems.
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Old 02-02-2010, 04:26 PM   #3
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Your a frickin idiot. If you have nothing to add to the post about my needs/issue then leave it at that.

I am towing motorcycles. Are you sticking those on your roof rack moron.


Go change your diaper.
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Old 02-02-2010, 05:38 PM   #4
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What are your modifications? What turbo do you have? Your best bet would be to contact P&L and have them make a low or zero wastegate duty cycle map for you. Will you be going up long grades etc?
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Old 02-02-2010, 08:46 PM   #5
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Mods are as follows.
06 WRX (aprox. 45,000miles)


VF39
STI top mount
GM boost solenoid
Turbo back 3" Mad Dad exhaust, divorced "high flow cat'd" downpipe
2.5" axlebackStock airbox
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tuned on 93 oct. Current tune is 290HP / 295TRQ (on a hot day)


I am considering going back to the TD04 with a good tune just to save on the gas but if the VF39 will get me close with an updated tune then i am all for that. Its just nice to see the higher torque numbers coming from a properly tuned TD04 and i am not racing the car anymore.


Not many grade changes going up north but there are the slight hills for a couple miles here or there that really suck the juice out of the tank.

I am open to any thoughts.

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Old 02-10-2010, 09:23 AM   #6
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Are you able to tune the car yourself?

If so just drop the target boost and try to keep your foot out of it as much as possible. I don't think you will have much of a problem. How's your clutch? That is also going to take alot of stress along with the rest of your drivetrain.
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:52 AM   #7
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Are you able to tune the car yourself?

If so just drop the target boost and try to keep your foot out of it as much as possible. I don't think you will have much of a problem. How's your clutch? That is also going to take alot of stress along with the rest of your drivetrain.
Well i talked to Jorge at P&L and he was pretty confident in a good safe tune. Especially this time of year. I'll get a couple maps from him while i'm there.

As far as tuning myself, NO. I do everything but tune the car, even down to rebuilding a motor if need be. I'll leave the tuning to the pro's.

The clutch feels fine, i never dragged the car (except that one time, at an event that called for it). Its seen some track time but never as much as i wanted, roughly 5 events.

I understand the stress involved in towing, and if i feel its going to be too much for the car after a few times up north I may have to steal the wifes new Rav4 (V6).
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Old 02-12-2010, 01:09 PM   #8
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I say go for it. If you have problems I think you'll be alright you seem to be a smart guy and if you have any problems would know not to be a jackass and keep driving.

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Old 02-12-2010, 01:22 PM   #9
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I towed my sled to Mqt, Mi and got ~14mpg, I am interested and seeing what you come up with cause boosting the whole time in 5th got old, and i didn't like reving out so much in 4th to decrease the load.
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Old 02-12-2010, 01:29 PM   #10
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I towed my sled to Mqt, Mi and got ~14mpg, I am interested and seeing what you come up with cause boosting the whole time in 5th got old, and i didn't like reving out so much in 4th to decrease the load.
Well it will be a bit before i tow anything for a distance. Ole man winter is sucking up some travel i had already planned for the year (thanks El Niino).
heck i wasnt able to get to my tune last week because of 13" of snow.

Anyway. i will update this thread once i get some hard numbers. I think it will be interesting also. Maybe i should wiegh the car, then again the car, trailer, and bikes together and see what type of mass is traveling down the road.
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Wow dntouch no need to be so disrespectful. Ysidro was just giving you some information, he doesn't know what your towing. You can blame yourself for that since you didn't make that clear in the beginning. I hope your car blows up trying to tow and ur motorcycles get run over by semi trucks.
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:11 PM   #12
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Wow dntouch no need to be so disrespectful. Ysidro was just giving you some information, he doesn't know what your towing. You can blame yourself for that since you didn't make that clear in the beginning. I hope your car blows up trying to tow and ur motorcycles get run over by semi trucks.

nice comment haha, that is why i hate posting on here is people are quick to get angry. dont call someone idiot either, he could say same for you asking a question
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:37 PM   #13
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Wow dntouch no need to be so disrespectful. Ysidro was just giving you some information, he doesn't know what your towing. You can blame yourself for that since you didn't make that clear in the beginning. I hope your car blows up trying to tow and ur motorcycles get run over by semi trucks.
I have been on this site for the past 5 years. In that time i have seen some really helpfull people and some complete douche bags. Maybe it was the stupid smiley he added to help get his message accross that set me off or the fact that if you look at other threads he has posted on (yes i looked before posting a reply) they are mostly dumb comments with a side of stupid tossed in.

Yes, my mistake for not specifically stating the amount of materials being towed, heck maybe i should have broken it down in Lbs or tons and tried to figure the amount of drag also? It wasnt a very in your face, hard to figure out question.

I guess I was looking for someone that has done this before and it seems that no one has. At least no one that had anything to state about it as far as tuning goes..


So with that stated outlwstr,, you are a complete idiot. Even if Ysidro so called, "gave me information" you did not.. Thanks for adding nothing to this thread besides more useless crap. I guess i found another douche bag to ignore. What are you 10 years old, you sure come accross that way.
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Old 02-19-2010, 06:42 PM   #14
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BTW for anyone that cares at this point i did go yesterday to P&L and got retuned. I have an updated map for everyday use and valet and a towing map also. The towing map is nice and flat at around 11psi falling back some and keeping the hp and trq around a very usable 250 for both. Trimmed the fuel back some also to save a few bucks.

Its drives really good and i'm a bit anxious to see how well it works under my circumstances while towing a load.
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I'm an idiot because I told you not to be disrespectful to other members? Ya I threw in a smart ass comment at the end, but you deserved it. I think it is hilarious how upset you got, I don't know how you lasted this long on nasioc with an attitude like that.
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Old 02-19-2010, 07:01 PM   #16
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Sending you a PM obviously you have an issue with me that doesnt need to be discussed here. Its not a outlwstr mental issue thread, heck no one even asked your opinion,, yet here you are?
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lol no one asked me my opinion? You posted a question on a public forum. One which I am a member to and can comment as I please. Next time you post please be more respectful to others, if their is information that is not useful to you then ignore it and move along. No need to post back crying and throwing a tantrum for all of nasioc to see.

This is what your doing to yourself
Ill stop since you obviously don't know how.

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Old 02-25-2010, 06:23 PM   #18
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It sad to see you guys squabbling.

Let us know how it works out. Got any pics of the rig? Never towed my bikes with anything other than some type of truck/suv .
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:16 PM   #19
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I am also curious as to the towing rig you set up with the rex. I have seen a couple set ups that can be applied for a hitch, but they are huge, expensive, and I would only use it one to two times a year. My apologies for not adding anything here, but I like those taking initiative to do something different with their ride and pave a path of where to go and what to look for in such cases. Changing the map for one, but the actual tow package is what I am most curious about. Like 4or2wheels, I've always had a truck so towing was no problem, but that's gone and the trailer is still here... On a side note, my friend has an old RV that broke down and I used the little tow hook thing and some steel cable to tow that beast with my rex no problem. then again that was 1/4 mile until we got to an accessible parking lot. Big difference, but a feat none-the-less!
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I am going to see how this goes sooner than i thought. I am driving next week to AR. so its 12 hours each way. I will get some pictures and stats when i get back.

It will be me, another guy, luggage, and our motorcycles on the trailer. I will weigh the car tomorrow and then with the bikes & trailer when i leave.


Should be interesting.


The hitch is a standard issue drawtite ( i think ). 1-1/4" reciever and it tucks up under the car just fine. I havent had a reason to look at the '09's and newer.
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Old 04-13-2010, 05:26 PM   #21
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I figured i would update with a bit more on how well it has towed incase someone is doing a search on this .

I actually like the towing map now more than my more aggressive map for everyday use (towing or just normal driving)..

While towing a trailer and a 400 olb bike i am seeing about 21 MPG. Thats pretty darn good if you ask me. I havent checked it while doing he daily drive to work thing but its pretty close to 25 ish...
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