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Old 02-03-2010, 07:23 PM   #1
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I have a 2009 Legacy Base model..looking to upgrade to an sti engine,transmission,fmic..etc...but what can I do to get a big brake kit like brembos or stop tech to fit on my base model?? thanks
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:19 PM   #2
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why the hell do you even need a big brake kit? it's overkill for the car..even on a GT model unless you like bragging and bling.
the gt calipers are fine with a good set of pads and rotors. that's all you need. but. the fact taht you want to do an STi swap, you need the STi axles and hubs too.

what a waste of money
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Old 02-03-2010, 10:26 PM   #3
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if you have a LGT base model...then you just need brackets for the rear calipers , that is if you dont do the STi swap.
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:39 AM   #4
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why the hell do you even need a big brake kit? it's overkill for the car..even on a GT model unless you like bragging and bling.
the gt calipers are fine with a good set of pads and rotors. that's all you need. but. the fact taht you want to do an STi swap, you need the STi axles and hubs too.

what a waste of money

Just stay off real suby threads...you discuss me...I'm just trying to have the cleanest legacy..you don't seem to say **** when someone has a 96-99 gt 2.5 non turbo...but can make it look good..dammm
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Old 02-04-2010, 01:41 AM   #5
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if you have a LGT base model...then you just need brackets for the rear calipers , that is if you dont do the STi swap.

Well what I want to do..is just make it look clean...can't I just do that??? it seems like everyone has negative stuff to say..once you see what I do to my legacy then you wont be saying negative stuff..let me do me ppl...thanks for the love though
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:59 AM   #6
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its your money. Do whatever you want.

But just to let you know a local guy had upgraded to brembos and said it's not hugely different on the stopping power. i dont know why he bought it to begin with - couldnt stop modding i guess. But he seems to like the attention he gets

If you are building your car, yeah, for sure the sti swap is the way to go. Not necessarily on the engine though. But its still better than the stock lgt engine, thats for sure. You'll definately need the gear box as the 5mt has been known to grenade on some people. The stock engine can grenade on tuning. And if you are going with dccd, get rid of the stock one, there are much better units out there

And just to let you know, i dont care much for athestics
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Old 02-04-2010, 09:06 AM   #7
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and i dont know why you'd post this in a wrx based community. I only float here as it gets quiet on the other forums.
You should go on the legacygt.com forum if you're not a member already.

There are a few threads of sti swaps in there. Im sure you'd find the info you need there.

And sli - subaru legacy international. Is just a waste of time. Thats pretty much a european forum with almost no action there
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:30 AM   #8
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and i dont know why you'd post this in a wrx based community. I only float here as it gets quiet on the other forums.
You should go on the legacygt.com forum if you're not a member already.

There are a few threads of sti swaps in there. Im sure you'd find the info you need there.

And sli - subaru legacy international. Is just a waste of time. Thats pretty much a european forum with almost no action there

Thanks for the heads up...I had a 02 wrx that I sold last year and I shouldn't of because that thing was beast like....ppg gear,turbonetics FMIC,Cobb intake,CAMS,18g turbo tuned at 19psi...espelir turboback,ap racing 6 piston brake kit,cobb tuned...and there's alot of other stuff I'm missing but it had about 400hp...oh and to let you know I don't have a LGT...I have a 2.5i..that's why I'm asking what brakes would fit on my car when I upgrade to an sti swap...sorry for the miss communication:confus ed:
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:09 PM   #9
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Thanks for the heads up...I had a 02 wrx that I sold last year and I shouldn't of because that thing was beast like....ppg gear,turbonetics FMIC,Cobb intake,CAMS,18g turbo tuned at 19psi...espelir turboback,ap racing 6 piston brake kit,cobb tuned...and there's alot of other stuff I'm missing but it had about 400hp...oh and to let you know I don't have a LGT...I have a 2.5i..that's why I'm asking what brakes would fit on my car when I upgrade to an sti swap...sorry for the miss communication:confus ed:
Why would you go thru all that trouble? Just trade that car in for the GT 2.5 Turbo.
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Old 02-05-2010, 12:14 PM   #10
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Hmm.. if you are doing a full STi swap.. why not go all out, and purchase a wrecked Sti and swap out basically everything : the entire powertrain, brakes, axles, wireing harness, ECU, axles, 5.14x100 wheel hubs and wheels.

Yeah, that is certainly a lot of work, but if you are planning on a motor swap you will need the wiring harness and the ECU anyways... in the long run you aren't leaving any weak links that are waiting to break as soon as you drive the car aggressively.
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:37 PM   #11
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Hmm.. if you are doing a full STi swap.. why not go all out, and purchase a wrecked Sti and swap out basically everything : the entire powertrain, brakes, axles, wireing harness, ECU, axles, 5.14x100 wheel hubs and wheels.

Yeah, that is certainly a lot of work, but if you are planning on a motor swap you will need the wiring harness and the ECU anyways... in the long run you aren't leaving any weak links that are waiting to break as soon as you drive the car aggressively.
Swaps are fun, but they are also a pain in the arse, they cost a lot of money. And in the end, the car is only worth what people are willing to pay for a simliar model year car. Your mods are worth a quarter of what you spend on it. It is fun to have a swapped car. But I've been here awhile. How many of those folks with swapped cars hold onto them long term? More often than not, people have fun, get excited, then eventually move on to something else.

I say trade in for the GT model, do some minor mods. There's a chance you might go crazy (like I did), but more likely you'll be happy with a compromise, and in the end eventually trade that car for something else.

Or if you really want a STI, just go buy a darn STI used. They aren't all that expensive used in comparison to the blood/sweat/tears/money involved in a swap.

I mean this whole issue begs the question, why did you sell the 02 WRX in the first place?
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:59 PM   #12
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but...i see what he wants...absolute sleeper...
and like i said...if he has the money, by all means. it sounds like fun. it's the way to go... but as mentioned again. a money factor. if it's a project car, this is great..but if you need the car on the road..this project will take some time...a lot of gutting to do. maybe he's got hook ups for parts..if that's the case, it's even better.

unfortunately, in 2008 they stopped making the GT and the only turbo model avaliable was the spec b. so, honestly...that sucks because you couldn't choose the middle car - GT model.

actually last night, i took somebody for a ride and stomping on the brakes....****...he told me maybe i should look into a bbk...

if you are going to go with the swap..and you are going to do some pounding on the gas pedal...yeah...i would probably go with a bbk. i have the common setup for LGT owners on brakes...dba4000's slotted and hawk pads...which i think are ****.
i'll probably upgrade to dba5000's and some other pads eventually.
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Old 02-05-2010, 04:00 PM   #13
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anyways...so a set of used brembos can go anywhere about 900$...which i guess is not bad...

the stoptech are like...****ing 3000$ the whole set.. very pricey


i saw once, somebody was selling an EDM brembo calipers...they were white..looked awesome
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anyways...so a set of used brembos can go anywhere about 900$...which i guess is not bad...

the stoptech are like...****ing 3000$ the whole set.. very pricey


i saw once, somebody was selling an EDM brembo calipers...they were white..looked awesome
Having been on four different brake setups, the big brake kits do make a difference but it is pricey.

Not sure how the spec b rears are, but most likely all you need is the front stoptechs. I have the Brembo rears matched with stoptech fronts and the work great together. Getting the rear kit is definately overkill in my opinion.
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Old 02-05-2010, 06:13 PM   #15
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i was mistaken, the stoptechs are over $4000
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the spec b calipers are no different from the GT's.
i guess the difference you'd notice is depending on what you do with your car.

i'm looking at a set of willwoods on the other forum now.
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Old 02-05-2010, 07:19 PM   #16
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Stoptechs aren't over 4k, hoss. A F&R kit isn't necessary on a street car, period. You can pick up a used Stoptech kit for around a grand if you look, too. Wilwoods, at least most of the street calipers, are ****. They flex, they don't have dust seals - they're horrible for real-world driving.

What do I know, though - I run Stoptechs on my "****ty Legacy" (I used to run Wilwoods) - and they're better than the Brembos on my STi.
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i dont know where you are looking at stoptech's but the places i'm finding them are over $4k for front and rear set. if you know somewhere that is cheaper, by all means post the site, i'm sure the OP would appreciate it.
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Stoptechs aren't over 4k, hoss. A F&R kit isn't necessary on a street car, period. You can pick up a used Stoptech kit for around a grand if you look, too. Wilwoods, at least most of the street calipers, are ****. They flex, they don't have dust seals - they're horrible for real-world driving.

What do I know, though - I run Stoptechs on my "****ty Legacy" (I used to run Wilwoods) - and they're better than the Brembos on my STi.
+1 to what Sybir said.

My front stoptechs were just under $2k I think, and it was an improvement over the STI Brembo's. And I never got the rears.

My brother also has a stoptech kit and was just running the "H6" rear upgrade on his wagon and he didn't notice much difference when he swapped the H6 for the rear stoptechs. If you corner him he'd say it was mostly for bling. He got them used at a steal, otherwise he would have never done it.
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Exactly. Doing the rears beyond an H6 setup is a waste on a street car, at least in my opinion. A new front Stoptech kit should be at or near 2k, depending on size, and used sets pop up all over. Any front brake kit for any Subaru made after 1993 (89 for Legacies, 93 for Imprezas) will fit any current Subaru, with the exception of SVX's; all of the mount points on the knuckes are identical. Only thing that limits you is wheels. All you do is find a setup, then make sure it either has 5x100 rotors or that you can source replacements.

I've personally purchased 3 separate used sets of Stoptech 328x28mm fronts in great shape with usable rotors for <1k (grabbed a few setups for friends). I've had a single set on my wagon for nearly 120,000 miles. I run ceramic pads, and I *still* haven't had to swap the front rotors. I'm on my second set of pads (replaced the original Axxis pads with Hawks) Tracking will shorten that, of course, but it's hard to argue with that kind of bang for the buck.
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stoptech does say that their front kits are always adjusted so you can still retain the stock brake bias while still using whatever factory rear brakes you have, so their rear brake kits are often not necessary in terms of function for a street car.
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I think you would be better off going for an LGT, swapping for a bigger turbo with an fmic catless UP and DP. With the fmic you can get rid of the hood scoop ( I assume you're doing the STi swap for the sleeper look). They have big brake kits for the LGT (check out www.legacygt.com for reviews and help) and do some suspension upgrades. You will be able to put up similar numbers to a stock STi, but without the hassle and bugs of a full engine swap.
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I think you would be better off going for an LGT, swapping for a bigger turbo with an fmic catless UP and DP. With the fmic you can get rid of the hood scoop ( I assume you're doing the STi swap for the sleeper look). They have big brake kits for the LGT (check out www.legacygt.com for reviews and help) and do some suspension upgrades. You will be able to put up similar numbers to a stock STi, but without the hassle and bugs of a full engine swap.
/\ times a gazillion. Why the the OP wants to do a full swap has got to be one of the most NOT thought out ideas ever.
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i already said that they stopped making the GT in 2008.
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i already said that they stopped making the GT in 2008.
Sure, but why would you want the buy the new Legacy anyway.

Seriously, take a look at the used boards in this forum, there are hopped up used Legacy's already mildly modded for cheap prices. Why would you ever want to buy new unless you wanted a warranty?
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I have a 2009 Legacy Base model..looking to upgrade to an sti engine,transmission,fmic..etc...but what can I do to get a big brake kit like brembos or stop tech to fit on my base model?? thanks
Take it from a Legacy 2.5i owner ( Ive got a 2008 2.5i SE) you dont need those brembos and if you do go larger you will need to buy different wheels to cover them. BUt if you are interested in better brakes try the Centirc Rotors and HAwk Pads combo can be had for under $300!
You can get your calipers powder coated to what ever color you want I always thought Black would be cool call me boring I know

As far as the STi upgrades you picked the wrong car It would be easier to swap a GC, GF, GM, GR,GD, and a GH ( not that a GH is that far from a GR) than it would be to swap a GE or a non turbo BL I know the idea seems so cool but the money you spent on your 09 2.5i you could have waited until NOW and bought a used 08 or 09 LGT On parts alone you'll spend close to $7K and labor another $3K if you cant do anything yourself.


In short the 2.5i ( Impreza or Legacy ) aren't cars for swappers YET as the 4th gen legacies and 3rd gen imprezas age a swap will be more feasible OR you find a good deal on a junked one now and do all the work yourself.
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