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Old 02-12-2010, 06:19 PM   #51
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here are some pics i took, link to my flickr page, nothing installed yet and i didn't do any controlled or scientific comparisons, but just in case it's helpful to anyone

http://www.flickr.com/photos/natemichals/
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Old 02-12-2010, 06:26 PM   #52
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I'd be interested to see how the 'cover's fit on OEM headlights for those of us with worn out and crack front lens. I've sanded mine down and they look great now but it'll be a matter of time before they turn yellow again. Plus I've got stress cracks here and there where rocks have hit the headlight.

But looking closely I dunno if just the covers will fit....the parking light 'bubble is not there.

from looking at the set i received, the OEM headlights have a little bump in the outer clear lens where the turn signal sits, these headlights don't have the bump there if i recall correctly (i'm at work right now and the lights are home), so that might be an issue if you were looking to swap the clear outer cover onto OEM headlights
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Old 02-13-2010, 01:33 AM   #53
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would like to see output @ 25ft on a wall. Did you have to get 50w?
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Old 02-13-2010, 07:15 PM   #54
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would like to see output @ 25ft on a wall. Did you have to get 50w?

i probably won't install them until the weather warms up here, so maybe not for a month or two, they offered 35w in various color temperatures, and i think just 6000k if you wanted 50w, i wasn't that picky and i didn't really do any research about 35w vs 50w, so i just chose the 50w 6000k for the heck of it
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As stated in the other thread, this is why HIDs should not be used with them:



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Old 02-13-2010, 08:22 PM   #56
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As stated in the other thread, this is why HIDs should not be used with them:





i like my lights,
i think the top photo was taken with my phone, lights are very difficult to take digital photos of if you are looking for an accurate representation of what it really looks like in person
i'll see how i like them on my car when they are installed,
also, seeing as nobody else makes any aftermarket lights the 04-05 headlight styles, Morrettes are expensive if you like them (not sure they still make them ?), and i didn't want to fully custom build my own lights or buy really expensive used STi headlights, i think they are pretty nice

i like to be different, so i'm glad someone finally made aftermarket headlights for my car
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Old 02-13-2010, 08:38 PM   #57
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As stated in the other thread, this is why HIDs should not be used with them:



can you offer specific reasons for your thoughts ?
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:08 PM   #58
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^ Did the pics not work for you?
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^ Did the pics not work for you?
They worked for me, and I am also curious about your reasoning. The top one is the HID one right?
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^ Did the pics not work for you?
i took the pics, they are my lights,
i'm curious to know the reasons supporting your argument that the HID's shouldn't be used in those lights
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:30 PM   #61
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I assume he is referring to the glare.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:44 PM   #62
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the Lightwerkz retro's are 10x better than those. those aftermarket units are narrow and has that hot spot in the middle. Over time the heat from the hid capsule (bulb) will start to deteriorate the proejctors chrome bowl. and the output will only get worse.

btw, i've sold and have hundreds of oem hid and halogen projectors.
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:47 PM   #63
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i can see how it might look that way on the photo (glare), i won't know till i see them on the car and can actually point them at a wall and also stand in front a reasonable distance to see how they really look and check for glare at different angles

i also know from experience tinkering with photography for several years and having over 20,000 shutter actuations on my various cameras over the last 3-4 years that light is really tough to judge in a digital picture,
the HID's pic was taken on my Droid though, not on any of my regular cameras like most of the other pics in my flickr album were:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/natemichals/

my Droid camera is definitely far from a scientific measuring device, i wouldn't even gauge the brightness or contrast without really setting up my SLR on a wide wall, at a measured distance (as suggested previously), and keeping everything else controlled (ambient light, aiming of the lights toward the wall, shutter speed, white balance, ISO, aperture, same lens, same zoom setting), and then probably measuring actual brightness above and below the cutoff.
but realistically i'll probably just take a look at them when they are on the car and see if there is much light spillover beyond the beam's horizontal cutoff point
if it looks okay and it annoys other people i'm sure i'll have people flashing their brights at me, at which point i can decide what to do from there
having an extra set of lights will be nice though, my OEM ones look good when they are clean, but they are about due to be disassembled and have the inside of the clear plastic polished and cleaned a bit, they don't sparkle quite like when they were new
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Old 02-13-2010, 09:57 PM   #64
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the Lightwerkz retro's are 10x better than those. those aftermarket units are narrow and has that hot spot in the middle. Over time the heat from the hid capsule (bulb) will start to deteriorate the proejctors chrome bowl. and the output will only get worse.

btw, i've sold and have hundreds of oem hid and halogen projectors.

i'm sure they won't last forever, but for now they will be a project to give me something to do. if they do deteriorate at some point, i'm sure by then i'll either be ready to get a different car, or look at other retrofit options.
for around $350 for a set of these, this was much more reasonable for me than finding a set of good used OEM headlights for probably the same price (give or take a little) and then sending them out to Lightwerkz and spending several hundred more dollars. if money was no object I would do the Lightwerkz route or do a retrofit myself. but for the time and money i am willing to budget for aftermarket or custom headlights, this was a good option for me.
i already ran them for a while (per the breaking in instructions) and walked around and around them, looking at different angles to see how they would look to someone in front of them, and they definitely weren't blasting light all over the place like when HID's are dropped straight into regular reflector housings, but it's a bit hard to tell inside my house due to the short distance and short section of wall available to view the light against
i'll see how it goes, i think i will be happy with them though
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the Lightwerkz retro's are 10x better than those. those aftermarket units are narrow and has that hot spot in the middle. Over time the heat from the hid capsule (bulb) will start to deteriorate the proejctors chrome bowl. and the output will only get worse.

btw, i've sold and have hundreds of oem hid and halogen projectors.

have you seen these lights in person to give them a fair assessment ?
not to disagree with you, but just curious, i haven't seen Lightwerkz lights in person, on the website they look nice of course, i would like to know if someone was actually able to compare these side by side with a professional retrofit with TSX or S2000 (or other) projectors
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these are made by the generic over seas companies that use the same projectors across the board. Yes i've seen my share of ebay headlights to distinguish the performance.

if someone leaves near the Dallas/Fort Worth texas metroplex, i'll be more than willing to bring some TSX projectors to compare.
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i took the pics, they are my lights,
i'm curious to know the reasons supporting your argument that the HID's shouldn't be used in those lights
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They worked for me, and I am also curious about your reasoning.
It should be obvious from the pictures unless you're looking at different ones than I am.

- Poor cut-off
- Narrow beams
- Glare

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It should be obvious from the pictures unless you're looking at different ones than I am.

- Poor cut-off
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- Glare

I thought those were the halogens?
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I thought those were the halogens?
They are. And they're still pretty terrible.
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They are. And they're still pretty terrible.
I see that.... but why wouldn't it be better to get the HID's for them?
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It should be obvious from the pictures unless you're looking at different ones than I am.

- Poor cut-off
- Narrow beams
- Glare


I have no idea if these are any good or not. I would need to see them on the car, but by the shape of the "glare" you pointed out it appears that it's from the reflection of the light off the wood floor. The sharpe edge at the top seems to me to be from the edge of the carpet. Just to add my 2 cents, I've got 3 cars with projectors. My 04 has TSX retro-fits and I love them. The SVX and LGT have the factory Subaru projectors and they suck as far as cut off and beam width.
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They are. And they're still pretty terrible.

for the benefit of the community, i think it might be best to rate in a non-subjective way,
good, bad, awful and excellent - in and of themselves - don't make it possible to compare one light to another,
it helps however when a diagram/illustration, or some actual data can be presented
decidedly negative or decidedly positive comments should be more expected to provide backing argument or actual data to support their statements
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It should be obvious from the pictures unless you're looking at different ones than I am.

- Poor cut-off
- Narrow beams
- Glare
there are many different levels of experience here, explaining the difference is helpful, but it may not be obvious to everyone
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for the love of Zeus! its in a living room @ best 12ft away.. of course cut off, beam & glare are going to be an issue...

Take a flashlight & hold it 6" from the wall then back up to 10'

I am actually surprised the pattern isn't worse that close.

Lastsnare, thanks for taking the time to post something of a shot of the pattern. Something is better than everyone theorizing about how effective it might ot might not be.

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I see that.... but why wouldn't it be better to get the HID's for them?
the HIDs have even more glare, an even narrower beam, and an even worse cutoff, as shown in the first picture.
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