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Old 02-14-2010, 06:38 PM   #76
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yeah... AGAIN based on 12' (at best) distance..

let's all agree to let this DIE until someone has them on a car, sitting on a flat surface, @ roughly 25ft out?

for the love of Zeus... let's take a real world sample of "what is".. before we tear apart how terrible "something is" ...

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Old 02-15-2010, 03:05 AM   #77
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okay, this will probably be my final update, i got ambitious and put the lights on the car today in spite of the 25 degree weather, here are some pics i took. in the top picture you can see that part of the rubber strip detached itself from the driver's side headlight (i think i accidentally peeled one off and in the cold it just didn't want to stick back on, so it's flapping a little now, but no biggie)
the garage door is probably not quite 25 ft distant, but for what it's worth, i really like the way they look on the car. i have never had HID's on a car before (factory or aftermarket), so i can't really rate the visibility, but from driving at night back and forth to my brothers house tonight, i would guess that high end headlights would have a more even distribution of light and probably brighter. but all in all, i'm pretty happy with them





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Old 02-15-2010, 08:04 AM   #78
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Thanks for the pictures and writeup. How do you like the lights so far?

The halos and LEDs look bluish in that second picture; is that just the picture or do they have that bluish hue all the time? They look pretty good.
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Old 02-15-2010, 08:23 AM   #79
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looks good enough for me...
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:55 AM   #80
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duplicate reply on my local forum:
the halos are basically white, but they are definitely a little more blue than the HID lights (on the color temperature scale these HIDs are supposed to 6000k, so the LEDs probably measure a little bit higher, maybe 7-8000k), i always have a hard time getting colored light to look the same in digital photos than it does in real life (even after adjusting camera white balance, exposure up or down, colored lights always look different in the pics)
the headlights (from inside the car), do appear to be bright at close range and on snow, and it might just be an illusion (because they are so bright on the snow), but i was expecting them a bit a little bit brighter on blacktop/road at night. they are a little bit brighter in the center of each beam, and there may be some light falloff around the edges at farther distances.
but i wouldn't consider it to be a visibility problem, just slightly uneven.
but also, i've really only seen them driving to and from my brother's house, which is all neighborhood streets that are pretty well lit, so it's probably hard to judge accurately.
on the whole, i do like them though,
maybe just because they are new and shiny, but i really like the way they look from outside - looking at the car.
so i think i'll keep them for a while as they are
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Old 02-15-2010, 01:16 PM   #81
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Ok I'm ordering a set
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Old 02-15-2010, 01:20 PM   #82
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Can you individually controll the aim of the projector vs the highs? Or is it like stock where you adjust the entire headlight?
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:01 PM   #83
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looks good enough for me...

same here.....i was thinkin of blackin out my stockers too.

these might become a b-day gift from the gf if im lucky....lol

i would prolly rock these minus the whole "audi"-ish LED's above the halos. i'd remove the bulbs from that spot n just run the halos. there have been guys who run halos with retrofits as well, and i have yet to see someone scream "RICER!" at them, JUST because they did the non-ricer thing and blew a grand on a headlight mod......

i for one actually think they look pretty decent. flame me if ya want, its just my opinion
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Old 02-15-2010, 03:39 PM   #84
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hey lastsnare you should try to get an evening rolling shot if possible, and deff in a parking lot where ever you can.

that will be my deciding factor.
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:35 PM   #85
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:53 PM   #86
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hey lastsnare you should try to get an evening rolling shot if possible, and deff in a parking lot where ever you can.

that will be my deciding factor.
i'll try to get some more shots soon in different environments
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:56 PM   #87
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Can you individually controll the aim of the projector vs the highs? Or is it like stock where you adjust the entire headlight?

the projector and brights i noticed are connected together, so when you aim one, it aims both
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Old 02-15-2010, 04:58 PM   #88
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also, the brights don't look very bright to me, but could be just because the HID's are so much whiter, the brights are H3 bulbs too, as someone explained somewhere earlier, but perhaps there is some creative solution to putting a bigger or more high powered bulb in the hi beam spot
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:07 PM   #89
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i would prolly rock these minus the whole "audi"-ish LED's above the halos. i'd remove the bulbs from that spot n just run the halos. there have been guys who run halos with retrofits as well, and i have yet to see someone scream "RICER!" at them, JUST because they did the non-ricer thing and blew a grand on a headlight mod......
It's in almost every thread about them.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...66&postcount=2

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...66&postcount=5

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...3&postcount=28

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...6&postcount=29

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...89&postcount=3

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...24&postcount=6

Just saying.

My previous breakdown still carries thru from the old one. You still have the narrow pencil beams/hotspots, you still have the glare, and you still have the bad cut offs. For comparison purposes, this is what you will get with a very common HID retrofit (TSX) at the same distance. Notice the wider/more evenly distributed beam, better cutoff stepping, and lack of glare.





If you want these and intend on using the proper halogen bulbs, more power to you. The point I'm illustrating is that these are absolutely not retrofit alternatives or HID compatible.

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Old 02-15-2010, 05:23 PM   #90
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Indeed the Dash-Z w/ HID's throws too much light down, which actually diminishes visibility by making the foreground MUCH brighter than down road. Look at the retro fit, see how it fades as it gets further away from the cutoff? That's because of the whole double the distance and you get 1/4 the luminosity so for even road lighting close and far, you want it relatively dark on the bottom of the garage door and very bright at the cutoff.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:47 PM   #91
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Granted, I think these are still usable, at least I can buy them and either retrofit them later or while using them, I'll retrofit the OEMs... but at least I wont be pressed to do it fast, cause these still do the job.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:51 PM   #92
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i do see how in my pic they light up the ground immediately in front of the car a bit as compared to the byzantium's pic where there is less light on the ground and more evenly intense nearer the cutoff point,
not sure if having snow on the ground throws off the comparison much,
when driving i do see brighter spots in front of the car that are kind of light hot-spots,
i'll keep them on for at least the rest of the winter, and then perhaps investigate retrofit options for these or for my OEM lights after i clean them up a bit,
i'm not super picky as long as i can see adequately for the driving that i do and as long as i don't impair other drivers on the road i'm okay with it
i like the three led's along the top, but they are easily disconnected if someone buys these lights, i would leave the lights in there because there is a rubber seal behind each one that will keep water out, but you can just not connect the wiring for those three led's if one so chooses to not use them

for me it's also really handy having a 2nd set of lights, so i can take apart my other ones, clean the inside of the lens, polish up the chrome or black them out if i like, and if i do a retrofit i can take my time and do a good job without rushing since this is my only car

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Old 02-15-2010, 08:25 PM   #93
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also, nice neons.
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also, nice neons.
i won't complain, a friend gave me them for free, i took the sides off because last winter they got caked with snow and one of the wires broke, plus they get in the way sometimes on lifts or when putting jacks under the car.
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Old 02-15-2010, 11:29 PM   #95
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can you get some cutoff pics from farther back? maybe like 30 ft?
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:03 AM   #96
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can you get some cutoff pics from farther back? maybe like 30 ft?
it'll probably be a few days before i can get any other pics, work has been pretty hectic lately, i will definitely try though
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:26 AM   #97
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honestly i think its not that bad the non retro fit because you saved money and still got the hid's and the cutoff isnt that bad... but thats just my opinion
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fortunately for them and their dignity, they will most likely never be forced to have halo-rings or led's in their headlights, and hopefully on an average day nobody berates their personal decisions about their car or expressions of self
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honestly i think its not that bad the non retro fit because you saved money and still got the hid's and the cutoff isnt that bad... but thats just my opinion
i would love to have spent even less money on them (like $150 or less for the set would have been sweet, and maybe extra on top of that for HID's would be reasonable), but i guess that's how it goes sometimes, lol
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For everyone's references, here's more pictures we took when we help a customer installed the black projector headlights with 6000K HID Conversion Kit:





















Installed: Black Projector headlights with 6000K Slim Ballast H3 HID Conversion Kit

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