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Old 02-05-2010, 08:28 AM   #1
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We have liftoff on the next Lotus Esprit. Finally. Scuttlebutt at the beginning of the year suggested it was taking so long because Lotus was pondering some sort of hybrid system for the car. More recently the talk has turned to three specimens from Toyota's book of engines, including the Lexus LFA's V10, and the word "hybrid" disappeared.

It's the V10 that interests us here, because Lotus is planning for the new Esprit -- or whatever it will ultimately be called -- to have 275-325 bhp per ton. Even if they keep it freakishly lightweight you're looking at a minimum of 400 horsepower, something Lexus' Yamaha-tuned lump could easily handle. We'll get the full picture in a few weeks when new Lotus CEO Danny Bahr unveils his long-term plan for the company.
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For Lotus fans, the next few years should prove to be very interesting times as the company pushes ahead with its five-year plan to update its model lineup, including successors to the Elise and Esprit. Lotus has already unveiled its new Evora, but rather than sitting still with this car, work on the new Elise and Esprit is already well underway at the company’s Hethel engineering center in the UK.

While the future Elise may be seen as early as 2011, of more interest is the flagship Esprit successor, which EVO is reporting could come with an optional V10 engine sourced from Lexus. While there has been no confirmation of such a move, Lotus CEO Mike Kimberley has revealed in the past that the car is being developed with “a very well respected prestige carmaker.”

Many predicted that BMW would supply one of its V8 engines for the new Esprit but Lotus' close ties with Toyota, from which it already sources a number of powerplants, could see advanced Lexus engines used instead. The 500hp (373kW) V10 engine, which is set to debut in the Lexus LF-A supercar next year, would likely be reserved for a range-topping model, while a mid-spec model would get the IS-F’s 420hp (312kW) V8 and an entry-level model would pick up a 300hp (225kW) version of the 3.5L Toyota V6 from the Evora.

To keep costs down and speed up its gestation, the new Esprit will likely share its chassis with the bonded and extruded aluminum unit underpinning the Evora. Rising development costs and changing requirements, however, have reportedly pushed back the original 2010 release date to 2012. The extra time, however, will allow for both coupe and convertible models - Lotus had originally planned to launch a hard-top only - as well as a possible ‘alternative’ model. MotorAuthority
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:48 AM   #2
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That's good news. I've always loved the Esprit. They've had great success with the Elise/Exige so I'm sure that's helped paved the way for it's return.
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Old 02-05-2010, 09:57 AM   #3
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Definitely good stuff!
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2,000lb 325bhp please
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:30 AM   #5
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Old 02-05-2010, 11:49 AM   #6
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why don't they make their own engines?
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:40 PM   #7
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why don't they make their own engines?
Are you really that dumb? Toyota already has a great engine with all kinds of epic R&D $ put into it, so why not take advantage of that?
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Old 02-05-2010, 01:48 PM   #8
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toyota engines = reliability. Which is the only reason I ever even considered buying an Elise a few years back.
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toyota engines = reliability
It's funny that after a few weeks, we have to boil down Toyota's reliability to their engines only . I hope they stop running their 'most dependable cars on the road' commercials now.

But your statement is 100% true. Why not source a reliable motor and spend all your R&D money making the rest of the car crazy good?
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Old 02-05-2010, 03:05 PM   #10
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Does anyone know off the top of their head why the Evora is so porky? At 3000 lbs, I hope it's not the shared chassis.
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Does anyone know off the top of their head why the Evora is so porky? At 3000 lbs, I hope it's not the shared chassis.
It has a bigger engine than an Impreza but still weighs less and carries just as many people. Wut?
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Yay for the Esprit! Next Bond movie hopefully...
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It's quiet a bit smaller than the impreza and is RWD though. I doubt you could fit a 3rd person back there either. At 3000lbs it seems a bit heavy for a modern Lotus. Was wondering why it wouldn't be closer to 2700lbs.

Is it the creature comforts? Must be that, because the cup edition is ~2600lbs.

Not bashing it, it's still a dream car(for me). Just them saying they would use the frame from it for their Esprit replacement. Was trying to figure out what brought the weight up.
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It's quiet a bit smaller than the impreza and is RWD though. I doubt you could fit a 3rd person back there either. At 3000lbs it seems a bit heavy for a modern Lotus. Was wondering why it wouldn't be closer to 2700lbs.

Is it the creature comforts? Must be that, because the cup edition is ~2600lbs.

Not bashing it, it's still a dream car(for me). Just them saying they would use the frame from it for their Esprit replacement. Was trying to figure out what brought the weight up.
It is one of my favorite "normal" cars to drive on Forza 3.

The only thing that makes me question them using the 2GR-FE (base) as well as the 2UR from the IS-F and the LFA engine is the fact that the 2GR-FE is designed as a transverse mount engine while the other two are longitudinally mounted. The Evora and Elise/Exige have transverse mounted Toyota plants. I suppose the base engine could always be the 2GR-FSE. That engine is designed as longitudinally mounted.
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Evora is at least 100lbs lighter than the caymanS (Rumor mill is that Caymans weigh in a bit more than their factory specs). The fancy aluminum chasis is where the weight differential comes from, but the porsche is engineered for low weight as well. Considering it is basically lotus equivelant of a caymans the weight isnt too bad. I was hoping it would be closer to 2900ish though as well. The back seats are tiny even by 2+2 standards, but it is cool to have a mid egined 4 place car.
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Interesting news.... Although I could have sworn reading somewhere that the Lexus V10 would be exclusive to the LFA. I'm not sure if it would be all that smart to farm out the LFA motor given what they are charging for the car. Might dilute the cachet of the car a bit.

Now, it would make a bit more sense to me if Lotus inherited the current V10 M5's motor, given that BMW aren't using it for anything once the M5 goes to the V8 aggregate.
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why don't they make their own engines?

Well, they switched to toyota sourced engines because then they get an engine which is well developed and easy to sell in any market. Basically it's cheaper and works better than anything they could make themselves.
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For most of Lotus' company life they have used outsourced engines. They have done much better as chassis developers than engine makers.
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Why reinvent the engine when you do not have to. Other than to say, its our design, there is no reason to do it. If you can take advantage of somebody else's research, why not.

When I build my home built car from scratch, I am going to use an S2000 engine.
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It says in the article they plan to have 275-325bhp per ton. A ton is 2,000lbs so if they wanted to limit the weight to 1 ton, they're planning between 275 and 325bhp...

My post was based on info in the article, not just an unrealistic expectation.
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It says in the article they plan to have 275-325bhp per ton. A ton is 2,000lbs so if they wanted to limit the weight to 1 ton, they're planning between 275 and 325bhp...

My post was based on info in the article, not just an unrealistic expectation.
Yeah, except they're not planning to limit the car to a ton.

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Just straight ratio math, we're talking a minimum 2,667lb car. When considering the Evora tips the scales at 3,000lbs with a smaller engine, I think it's going to be up there.
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Yeah, except they're not planning to limit the car to a ton.



Just straight ratio math, we're talking a minimum 2,667lb car. When considering the Evora tips the scales at 3,000lbs with a smaller engine, I think it's going to be up there.
Ok, so figure it'll be 3,000 lbs. - that means they're aiming for 412-487bhp if the calculation is 275-325 per ton.
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my claustrophobia would kick in sitting in the back seat and id tear the roof off getting out of that thing. back seat why!!!!?
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