Turn in Concepts 2010 Track Car Build - Page 11

Turn in Concepts · 05-15-2010, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jamal

Those look awful slick for a mod class tire. where do we get some?

I just bolted the rear windows right to the door. And the front windows are out because of the cage.

Those look really light! Wish that was legal for our class.

Tony

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jamal · 05-15-2010, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

Those look really light! Wish that was legal for our class.

Tony

that's a mod awd car.

or are you talking about for something other than rta?

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

Not sure how readily available they are. They are legal per the rules of Mod class due to the Continental tire sponsorship. We got them through some contacts we have.

Tony

isn't being readily available a big part of the RTA tire rules?

Turn in Concepts · 05-16-2010, 09:01 AM

DOesn't look like glass in the doors though. Maybe it's just not complete yet.

It is, but Nikolas has specifically allowed these tires under the Continental tire challenge car rule inclusion. Technically the cars that compete in the Continental tire challenge (formerly Koni challenge) are not legal for Mod either, but they are allowed.

Tony

jamal · 05-17-2010, 05:05 PM

right, that's why I said I bolted the windows directly to those "doors"

Any idea how these tires are supposed to compare to an NT01 or R888? Do they have a treadwear rating?

We had a car out here that was supposedly using a set of prototype hankooks that no one else could get and were of questionable legality.

The exceptions and changes and lack of enforcement going on with the rules aren't really anything new though.

boost junkie · 05-17-2010, 05:31 PM

I have heard they are actually similar to or slower than an NT01 or R888, and that the compound is significantly harder than the R6 for durability in endurance racing. I have no first hand experience with them though so I can't say for sure. The redline rules are constantly changing and often make no sense, which is why I have chosen not to run in any of their events up to this point. I was hoping the new management would be different.

Turn in Concepts · 05-17-2010, 06:58 PM

It's definitely better than it was last year where there was no enforcement of the rules.

I have gotten some conflicting info on the tires. We'll see how they work out.

Weed Wacker · 05-18-2010, 11:45 PM

Any idea on what your bringing in the Genesis vs '08 yet? For sure going to check out your cars at the RTA event

Turn in Concepts · 05-19-2010, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Weed Wacker

Any idea on what your bringing in the Genesis vs '08 yet? For sure going to check out your cars at the RTA event

We were just talking about that the other day. To do the Genny we'd need to tune it as it's running super rich right now. There's a couple of things we can use, but we'd be new to them so I'm not sure there's enough time.

The other thing tipping in favor of the 08 is that we have a P&L kit on it as well, and since it's their home town it would be nice to show off more of their stuff.

The argument the other way is that not too many of the Jennies are being seen competing yet (ok, well, there IS that one famous dude...). We'd kind of like to show it off at the track.

So, after much discussion we have decided...... that we're not sure yet.

jay3737 · 05-19-2010, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

So, after much discussion we have decided...... that we're not sure yet.

...which means there is still hope for the E30 or miata!

Turn in Concepts · 05-19-2010, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jay3737

...which means there is still hope for the E30 or miata!

what, you mean the best handling e30 in cincinnati that doesn't run?

JMS Landshark · 05-19-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

what, you mean the best handling e30 in cincinnati that doesn't run?

Has it even run since about a month after you got it? Maybe I could drive the E30, I do have a little seat time in a very similar car.

Turn in Concepts · 05-20-2010, 11:18 AM

It runs, just really rich for some reason. I just moved it in the back lot. Started right up.

Check out the new tires. They are WAY softer than the Michelins. Will be interesting to see how they work.

Frank A · 05-20-2010, 11:40 AM

those maintain the mod class min treadwear?? sweet! sucks that the similar-looking Kumho V710's don't since I got a set for free.

jc8587 · 05-20-2010, 12:05 PM

Those look good and sticky!

I'll be up at Autobahn for Redline for the lapping day on Saturday. I need to get used to the track for the NASA event in July.

Are you guys planning on attending the Redline, NASA, or a lapping day up there with 10/10ths in the near future?

Turn in Concepts · 05-20-2010, 12:13 PM

We may go to the 10/10ths day in the miata. All depends on how we are feeling after the previous weekend.

Turn in Concepts · 05-20-2010, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank A

those maintain the mod class min treadwear?? sweet! sucks that the similar-looking Kumho V710's don't since I got a set for free.

Not really as they don't have a treadwear rating as they are not DOT approved tires, but they are legal.

djosbun · 05-26-2010, 01:11 PM

Thanks for giving me a tour of the bigger shop yesterday. If you guys ever need a hand at whichever track your going to, feel free to let me know. I'm close by, can pretty much work on anything, and i'm free.

Dave

Turn in Concepts · 06-01-2010, 01:25 PM

Just one pic.

Turn in Concepts · 06-01-2010, 01:31 PM

Been a busy time for us lately. The car has been going through some testing to sort out all of the little bugs.

At higher boost levels we were having some problems with the air oil separator not keeping up with the flow of vapors leading to some oil coming out of the breather. We added another can AOS inline to the other and having both of them draining to the same point in the crank case which is working very well. Now we don't get any blow by coming out of the breather filter.

We upped the rotors to 355mm in the front from 332 and magically enough all of our braking issues went away! The pedal is rock solid at all times, there is very little cracking from the heat and pads aren't wearing as quickly. This is something we knew we needed to do, but were not expecting as drastic results as we saw. We also swapped out pads in the rear to a new compound from Frenosa that seems to work quite well. So well in fact that the rear brakes are actually doing something now and getting hot. We are going to be building ducts for them soon.

Tony

spazegun2213 · 06-01-2010, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

Been a busy time for us lately. The car has been going through some testing to sort out all of the little bugs.

At higher boost levels we were having some problems with the air oil separator not keeping up with the flow of vapors leading to some oil coming out of the breather. We added another can AOS inline to the other and having both of them draining to the same point in the crank case which is working very well. Now we don't get any blow by coming out of the breather filter.

We upped the rotors to 355mm in the front from 332 and magically enough all of our braking issues went away! The pedal is rock solid at all times, there is very little cracking from the heat and pads aren't wearing as quickly. This is something we knew we needed to do, but were not expecting as drastic results as we saw. We also swapped out pads in the rear to a new compound from Frenosa that seems to work quite well. So well in fact that the rear brakes are actually doing something now and getting hot. We are going to be building ducts for them soon.

Tony

The car ought to be super fast at ACC!!! Good luck you guys, oh and yea the 355's ROCK! I have them on my baby, and I've had no problems with it!

Turn in Concepts · 06-01-2010, 02:27 PM

The car is much faster now that we have the engine/tune issues figured out. On top of that Tony has experience at Autobahn so he should be much faster.

As of Saturday we have dropped over 9 seconds off our lap time at Putnam from where the car was at the end of last year. That's pretty much the fendered car record.

jay3737 · 06-01-2010, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

The car is much faster now that we have the engine/tune issues figured out. On top of that Tony has experience at Autobahn so he should be much faster.

As of Saturday we have dropped over 9 seconds off our lap time at Putnam from where the car was at the end of last year. That's pretty much the fendered car record.

wow. what time is that, like 1:09 or something? i was mentioning that tony w. was doing laps in the low teens last weekend at cars & coffee to a few of the porsche dudes, and they were looking at me like i was crazy...

pieces · 06-01-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Turn in Concepts

The car is much faster now that we have the engine/tune issues figured out. On top of that Tony has experience at Autobahn so he should be much faster.

As of Saturday we have dropped over 9 seconds off our lap time at Putnam from where the car was at the end of last year. That's pretty much the fendered car record.

Shaving nine seconds off is nuts guys. Congratulations!
Joe

Turn in Concepts · 06-01-2010, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by pieces

Shaving nine seconds off is nuts guys. Congratulations!
Joe

the interesting thing is that we have done NO aero development so far this season as we've been focused on the overall health of everything else.

We should be good for a little more once we get the aero done.

Turn in Concepts · 06-01-2010, 10:33 PM

Ross,

You going to Autobahn?

Tony

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Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: Many Track Records Let us help you go fast!	DOesn't look like glass in the doors though. Maybe it's just not complete yet. It is, but Nikolas has specifically allowed these tires under the Continental tire challenge car rule inclusion. Technically the cars that compete in the Continental tire challenge (formerly Koni challenge) are not legal for Mod either, but they are allowed. Tony

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jamal Scooby Guru Member#: 71875 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Montana Vehicle: 98 2.5GT my wheels fit	right, that's why I said I bolted the windows directly to those "doors" Any idea how these tires are supposed to compare to an NT01 or R888? Do they have a treadwear rating? We had a car out here that was supposedly using a set of prototype hankooks that no one else could get and were of questionable legality. The exceptions and changes and lack of enforcement going on with the rules aren't really anything new though.

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boost junkie Top Scoob 009 Member#: 68273 Join Date: Aug 2004 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: Silver Spring, MD Vehicle: 2012 WRX GD Race Car in progress	I have heard they are actually similar to or slower than an NT01 or R888, and that the compound is significantly harder than the R6 for durability in endurance racing. I have no first hand experience with them though so I can't say for sure. The redline rules are constantly changing and often make no sense, which is why I have chosen not to run in any of their events up to this point. I was hoping the new management would be different.

05-17-2010, 06:58 PM	#256
Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: Many Track Records Let us help you go fast!	It's definitely better than it was last year where there was no enforcement of the rules. I have gotten some conflicting info on the tires. We'll see how they work out.

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Weed Wacker Scooby Newbie Member#: 246167 Join Date: May 2010 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Location: S-Wood	Any idea on what your bringing in the Genesis vs '08 yet? For sure going to check out your cars at the RTA event

05-20-2010, 11:18 AM	#262
Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: Many Track Records Let us help you go fast!	It runs, just really rich for some reason. I just moved it in the back lot. Started right up. Check out the new tires. They are WAY softer than the Michelins. Will be interesting to see how they work.

05-20-2010, 11:40 AM	#263
Frank A Scooby Specialist Member#: 49979 Join Date: Dec 2003 Chapter/Region: MAIC Location: MD, US Vehicle: 11 dgm wrx hatch 08 black TA STI	those maintain the mod class min treadwear?? sweet! sucks that the similar-looking Kumho V710's don't since I got a set for free.

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jc8587 Scooby Newbie Member#: 76201 Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Lexington, KY Vehicle: 1990 Spec Miata TMPR.net	Those look good and sticky! I'll be up at Autobahn for Redline for the lapping day on Saturday. I need to get used to the track for the NASA event in July. Are you guys planning on attending the Redline, NASA, or a lapping day up there with 10/10ths in the near future?

05-20-2010, 12:13 PM	#265
Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: Many Track Records Let us help you go fast!	We may go to the 10/10ths day in the miata. All depends on how we are feeling after the previous weekend.

05-26-2010, 01:11 PM	#267
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Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: Many Track Records Let us help you go fast!	Just one pic.

06-01-2010, 01:31 PM	#269
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06-01-2010, 02:27 PM	#271
Turn in Concepts NASIOC Vendor Member#: 93646 Join Date: Aug 2005 Chapter/Region: MWSOC Vehicle: Many Track Records Let us help you go fast!	The car is much faster now that we have the engine/tune issues figured out. On top of that Tony has experience at Autobahn so he should be much faster. As of Saturday we have dropped over 9 seconds off our lap time at Putnam from where the car was at the end of last year. That's pretty much the fendered car record.

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