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Old 02-10-2010, 10:53 AM   #1
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GM is using the Chicago auto show to unwrap its latest salvo in the heavy-duty pickup wars: the 2011 Chevrolet Silverado Heavy Duty. Available in three-quarter- or one-ton strengths, the new Silverado HD is a workhorse aimed squarely at the new 2010 Dodge Ram Heavy Duty and 2011 Ford F-series Super Duty.

While it consists almost entirely of mechanical updates, rather than a complete vehicle overhaul, the new Silverado HD indeed appears to be a serious piece of work-site hardware. Although the company has yet to outline the improvements for the Silverado’s twin, the 2011 GMC Sierra Heavy Duty, the two should remain identical under the skin, with the GMC set apart by the usual unique aesthetic tweaks.

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While GM’s previous HD trucks were no wet noodles, the new Silverado’s underpinnings might as well be milled from solid billet by comparison. The basic formula stays the same—body-on-frame construction, a leaf-sprung live rear axle, and an independent front suspension supported by torsion bars—but every bracket, fastener, and crossmember has been substantially beefed up. GM says that the only significant components to be carried over from the 2010 chassis are the front end’s attachment links for the anti-roll bar.

The Silverado HD’s frame is all new and is now fully boxed for greater strength and rigidity. The truck is available in 11 different configurations, and the frame has been designed for easier mounting of a fifth-wheel hitch in the bed. The conventional rear-mounted hitch is more robust, too.

Maximum towing capacity is said to be a nice round 20,000 pounds with the fifth wheel—16K with the standard hitch—while payload capacity tops out at 6335 pounds. Ford has yet to release its ratings for the ’11 Super Duty, but the 2010 Dodge Ram HD is capable of carrying up to 5130 pounds in the bed and towing up to 17,600 pounds.

The rear suspension’s multi-stage leaf springs are wider, at a full three inches, and are of an asymmetrical design, both of which allow for greater load-carrying ability and improved axle control, according to GM. The independent front suspension—still unique to GM in this segment—has been completely redesigned and can now support up to 6000 pounds, and the minimum weight supported by any four-wheel-drive configuration is enough to allow a snow plow to be fitted. Despite the greater complexity of the GM trucks’ independent front suspension (upper and lower control arms made of forged steel and cast iron, respectively) versus its competitors’ solid-axle layouts, the company remains adamant that the setup offers the same capability while delivering a better ride and being easier to tune for specific applications. The company says the torsion bars can be adjusted with a wrench to compensate for the greater load that a snow plow would apply to the front end.
Along with larger disc brakes—14 inchers front and rear—a standard engine-exhaust-brake system, slightly wider front and rear tracks, and longer wheelbases ranging from 133.6 to 167.7 inches, several other electronic additions are new for 2011. Single-rear-wheel models come standard with electronic stability control, hill-start assist, and automatic grade braking, with a trailer-sway-control system as an option.

The Race to 700 lb-ft of Torque
While outputs have yet to be released, powertrains for the 2011 Silverado HD include a 6.0-liter OHV V-8 paired with a strengthened 6L90 six-speed automatic, as well as the turbocharged 6.6-liter Duramax V-8 diesel with an updated version of the Allison six-speed automatic.

The 6.0-liter**—rated for 360 hp and 380 lb-ft of torque in the 2010 model—gets variable valve timing and a new camshaft, among other tweaks, which GM says will offer a broader torque curve and better efficiency overall. However, the real news is the fourth-generation Duramax diesel, about 60 percent of which the company says is new for 2011. Along with new pistons, rods, and a revised exhaust-gas recirculation cooler, the new diesel is said to be both quieter than before and up to 11 percent more fuel efficient on the highway. Oxides of nitrogen emissions are down 63 percent, too. The common-rail, piezo-actuated fuel-injection system now operates at 30,000 psi and can run on B20 biodiesel.

The exhaust-treatment system has been optimized for 5000-mile service intervals between 5.3-gallon fill ups of fluid for the selective-catalytic-reduction system, while the diesel particulate filter can now go up to 700 miles (up from 400 miles) between regenerations, which helps reduce fuel consumption. Total range for the diesel is now up to 680 miles with the Silverado HD’s standard 36-gallon fuel tank.
GM says specific output for the Duramax is pending SAE certification. The third-gen Duramax made 360 hp and 660 lb-ft of torque—tops in its class—yet GM officials are optimistic that more than 400 hp and 700 lb-ft are in reach with the 2011 modifications. We expect details to come soon, along with specs for Ford’s new 6.7-liter PowerStroke V-8 diesel, which also has been rumored to be close to the 400-hp and 700-lb-ft marks.

The Shiny Stuff
Recognizing the 2011 Silverado HD will pretty much be possible only from the front, as the only changes to the body are a new raised hood with revised Duramax/Allison badges, as well as a new chrome front bumper. New 17- and 18-inch wheels are available across the range, while polished and forged 20s are available on 2500HD models.

The interior is largely carried over, which is fine; the 2010 trucks were well-appointed and very comfortable. The latest version of OnStar is available, as is mobile WiFi, USB, and Bluetooth connectivity. Touch-screen navigation, XM satellite radio, and a rearview camera remain optional, as do other luxury amenities. A slight increase in base prices is expected, but GM says it’s too soon to say how large of a premium the new capabilities will command.

More significant updates to the exterior and interior likely won’t come for another couple years, as GM only recently restarted development of the next-generation, light-duty Silverado and GMC Sierra, which are expected in 2013 or so. Fortunately, that gives us plenty of time to line up the new Silverado HD against the latest Ford and Dodge trucks for another heavy-haulin’ comparison test. Load ’em up
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:06 AM   #2
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um, 30000 psi fuel injection..

well, thats just wow.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:19 AM   #3
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More efficient and a far cleaner diesel? Good. We definately less toxic heavy duty vehicles.

Now if I'm wearing work gloves am I really able to push the tiny buttons on the Nav or even hit the correct HVAC. I think not.
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Old 02-10-2010, 11:21 AM   #4
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wow, that dash is beyond crappy looking.
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Very impressive truck.

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Old 02-10-2010, 02:43 PM   #6
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That is pretty impressive but I do not get who needs to tow around 20,000 and would want that type of interior. It seems like GM is putting a lot of R&D into a truck that is going go to a pretty small market. A lot of fleets are starting to realize that a standard 1/2 ton will do almost anything and are opting away from the heavy duty stuff except for some specific situations. How many people need to tow over 10,000 pounds regularly? There are some people that routinely do it, but it is a small group that is starting to realize the smaller cheaper option works fine. I would rather see focus more on its smaller truck line that sucks balls. A lot of people would buy a 4 cylinder diesel compact truck that could really tow 5000 pounds. It does not even need to be a diesel just a compact truck that does not suck that has some usability to it.
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Pretty good tuck already especially the locking diff real 4wd. Pulled a few Fords and dodges out in the snowstorm. their 4wd is just 1 wheel in front and 1 in back.
Dodge Cummins great motor but have not driven new one 2011 yet.
Ford powerstoke has many problem, very loud and poor fuel economy. They are making new diesel motor now so....consumer wins with completion.
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wow, that dash is beyond crappy looking.
while the Ford look better, it's a work truck. who cares.
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Old 02-10-2010, 05:25 PM   #9
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That is pretty impressive but I do not get who needs to tow around 20,000 and would want that type of interior. It seems like GM is putting a lot of R&D into a truck that is going go to a pretty small market. A lot of fleets are starting to realize that a standard 1/2 ton will do almost anything and are opting away from the heavy duty stuff except for some specific situations. How many people need to tow over 10,000 pounds regularly? There are some people that routinely do it, but it is a small group that is starting to realize the smaller cheaper option works fine. I would rather see focus more on its smaller truck line that sucks balls. A lot of people would buy a 4 cylinder diesel compact truck that could really tow 5000 pounds. It does not even need to be a diesel just a compact truck that does not suck that has some usability to it.
There's no money in developing a new small truck line when they already have the 'new' Colorado chassis and the 4.3 Silverado will do exactly what you are asking for (so will extended cab/crew cab Colorado).

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I am in that 15K lbs towing demographic and it's hard to find a decent truck that you can use other than the huge 3500's and F350's.
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Now if I'm wearing work gloves am I really able to push the tiny buttons on the Nav or even hit the correct HVAC. I think not.
Why would you wear work gloves when driving/getting ready to drive? The only time I could see myself wearing gloves in a car is when getting in a cold car in the winter. I hear these arguments that work trucks need large knobs and buttons you can operate with heavy gloves, but it makes no sense. I have had a job where I wore work gloves and drove a truck but I took my gloves off when getting in the truck.
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That is pretty impressive but I do not get who needs to tow around 20,000 and would want that type of interior. It seems like GM is putting a lot of R&D into a truck that is going go to a pretty small market. A lot of fleets are starting to realize that a standard 1/2 ton will do almost anything and are opting away from the heavy duty stuff except for some specific situations. How many people need to tow over 10,000 pounds regularly? There are some people that routinely do it, but it is a small group that is starting to realize the smaller cheaper option works fine. I would rather see focus more on its smaller truck line that sucks balls. A lot of people would buy a 4 cylinder diesel compact truck that could really tow 5000 pounds. It does not even need to be a diesel just a compact truck that does not suck that has some usability to it.
I know a number of contractors that need this level of capability but like a little coddling since they spend so much time in their pickup.

This weekend, using my Tundra, I towed 10,000 lbs, at 7000' elevation rescuing a trailer behind a Dodge Cummins... I would not want to do that on a regular basis with anything less than a heavy duty diesel... .
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Is 3 attachment on the torque converter to the drive plate normal? I've torn apart a few ATs in my day and they had 6 attachment points.... and these were CUV/van/sedan transmissions.
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Seems normal to me...
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while the Ford look better, it's a work truck. who cares.
when you have to pay 55000 dollars for this it better come with something other than crap inside. As soon as GM lost their damn mind with their pricing for trucks, people started to expect more. People want to feel like they are in a sedan comfort when driving a truck.

Trucks use to be cheap. Back in the late 70s early 80's, trucks were for work, and not much else. Then the big three learned that they could make 10's of thousands of dollars of profit off each one if they threw some nice seats in it.

In the hey day (read as 'the 90's), GM was making 12-14 grand of pure PROFIT off each overpriced suburban. And people were dumb enough to pay it. Those same people now expect more from trucks, and with fat profits on each one, the big three are happy to oblige.

THAT is why the interior needs to look better than a 12000 dollar cobalt.
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when you have to pay 55000 dollars for this it better come with something other than crap inside. As soon as GM lost their damn mind with their pricing for trucks, people started to expect more. People want to feel like they are in a sedan comfort when driving a truck.

Trucks use to be cheap. Back in the late 70s early 80's, trucks were for work, and not much else. Then the big three learned that they could make 10's of thousands of dollars of profit off each one if they threw some nice seats in it.

In the hey day (read as 'the 90's), GM was making 12-14 grand of pure PROFIT off each overpriced suburban. And people were dumb enough to pay it. Those same people now expect more from trucks, and with fat profits on each one, the big three are happy to oblige.

THAT is why the interior needs to look better than a 12000 dollar cobalt.
India's Mhindra and Tata my have a truck for you soon, Basic work tucks may soon enter US market. Who knows what China may bring in soon. I saw this one hauling a load of logs up a mountain in the 90s inland China. A 1 cyl diesel belched smoke but pulled hard.They carried tremendous loads up mountains. I sure would not like one behind me going down hill. They used the compression to slow down. My guess the photo of the ones full of logs was carrying about 5,000 lbs or more.After hauling you could remove the bed and hook up a plow or other farm implement. I think you agree they don't get more basic than this.They cost about $800. back in mid 90s.


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Lol. Sitting on those logs is about on par with sitting in a GM interior.
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Lol. Sitting on those logs is about on par with sitting in a GM interior.
wrong. GM doesnt use real wood in the interior, Lexus does though.
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wrong. GM doesnt use real wood in the interior, Lexus does though.
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wrong. GM doesnt use real wood in the interior, Lexus does though.
ouch.. hahaha
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wow, that dash is beyond crappy looking.
My first thoughts, but I think it is the amazingly bad center stack that brings everything else down........
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Finally!
With such a sturdy and powerful drivetrain, the truck deserves better under components. I see far too many GM, Ford, and Dodge trucks with 10,000 miles, and blown out ball joints. Or better yet, brakes that need full replacement every couple years. At the prices they're asking for these trucks, they better come with beefed up components.
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I do not get who needs to tow around 20,000 ........ a truck that is going go to a pretty small market. How many people need to tow over 10,000 pounds regularly?
Dam dude, come to where I live, HD trucks are ALL the rage, the market for these trucks is HUGE all across the country. Truck lovers who don't tow 20,000 lbs. still buy these trucks because they are daily driver friendly, and it's nice to have the capability to tow if you need to. Plus Diesel engines are much more efficient when towing.

-Construction workers
-Hunters
-Weekend warriors (boats, trailers full of atv's, 5th wheels)

There's alot of people who buy these trucks.
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Why would you wear work gloves when driving/getting ready to drive? The only time I could see myself wearing gloves in a car is when getting in a cold car in the winter. I hear these arguments that work trucks need large knobs and buttons you can operate with heavy gloves, but it makes no sense. I have had a job where I wore work gloves and drove a truck but I took my gloves off when getting in the truck.
I worked for a construction co. for 6 years and I didn't take my gloves off when I drove around the sight, usually loading and unloading materials.
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wow, that dash is beyond crappy looking.
GM used to make very nice interiors. Everything just looks like and feels like crap now ( i was checking out trucks with my dad a few weekends ago, not impressed by the visuals)
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