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Old 02-12-2010, 12:41 PM   #1
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Lexus announced today the debut of its brand new CT 200h model (of course, this is not new for 4WheelsNews readers, because we announced this model back in September - check this post) at this year’s Geneva Motor Show in March. Based on the LF-Ch concept, the new car is created for drivers who want a car witj lower emissions and promises to be the first full hybrid vehicle in the premium compact segment. Lexus CT 200h will offer new levels of refinement, sophistication and attention to detail and this without even compromising style or driving pleasure. Under the hood, the new vehicle will carry the second-generation Lexus Hybrid Drive technology and will join the established RX 450h, GS 450h and LS 600h models to create an unprecedented range of full hybrid vehicles. Geneva will also welcome the critically acclaimed Lexus LFA supercar, just ahead of the initial order period for the model coming to a close.









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Old 02-12-2010, 12:46 PM   #2
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than what is this? which is already out
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Old 02-12-2010, 04:55 PM   #3
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than what is this? which is already out
That is the HS250h. This is a compact hybrid hatch of some sort. I'm *hoping* the CT is built off the IS chassis so that it is RWD.
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:13 PM   #4
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i wonder what the long term durability of hybrids are going to be like....i still see plenty of early 90's lexuses running around, will these last as long without major maintenance?
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i wonder what the long term durability of hybrids are going to be like....i still see plenty of early 90's lexuses running around, will these last as long without major maintenance?
There are a lot of first gen prii running around here. The only problem that I'm aware of is if they are involved in an accident they are often totaled due to the cost of piecing them back together.
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:42 PM   #6
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That is the HS250h. This is a compact hybrid hatch of some sort. I'm *hoping* the CT is built off the IS chassis so that it is RWD.
It's possible, Honda keeps talking about sending us the Civic Type-R hatch in Acura form. I think they're waiting to see if the luxury sub-compact market takes off, ie. if Americans will pay $19,000 to start for a Fiat 500.

I personally wouldn't mind a refined, sporty, fuel efficient hatch as a comfy fun upgrade to replace my Impreza.
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:53 PM   #7
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It's possible, Honda keeps talking about sending us the Civic Type-R hatch in Acura form. I think they're waiting to see if the luxury sub-compact market takes off, ie. if Americans will pay $19,000 to start for a Fiat 500.

I personally wouldn't mind a refined, sporty, fuel efficient hatch as a comfy fun upgrade to replace my Impreza.
I'd like one for the wife. The FT-86 is going to be my next DD.*

*assuming they don't **** it up w/ AWD and nose-heavy handling
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Old 02-12-2010, 05:58 PM   #8
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I'd like one for the wife. The FT-86 is going to be my next DD.*

*assuming they don't **** it up w/ AWD and nose-heavy handling
I'm just glad to have options, I'm not staking my money on a hybrid though, the new Ford Fiesta and Focus look to be some of the best choices out there for 2011 and 2012, good handling, great pricing and their MPG numbers are close to a $23,000 Prius, which is just awful to drive. If this car ends up anything like the 250h, Insight or Prius, it's going to miss the mark and cost too much.

Especially with all the great options coming to the states, or even here now (Audi A3 TDi, Polo, Fiesta, Focus, Swift, etc.)
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the new Ford Fiesta and Focus look to be some of the best choices out there for 2011 and 2012, good handling, great pricing and their MPG numbers are close to a $23,000 Prius
1. We don't know the official MPG numbers of the Fiesta.

2. From testing it looks like the Fiesta will be around 31,32 city and mybe 40 MPG Hwy. It won't detract from Prius sales with those kind of numbers.
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From testing it looks like the Fiesta will be around 31,32 city and mybe 40 MPG Hwy. It won't detract from Prius sales with those kind of numbers.
Maybe, maybe not, I considered the Prius until I drove it, hands down the most boring car I have driven.

I'm a customer who wants MPG and fun to drive factor, so there's 1 sale taken from the Prius.

Hopefully Lexus addresses the lack of emotion in their entire ToyoLexScion collection, not a smirk in the bunch. Yes, you're going to say IS350 or IS-F, ridden in an 08 IS350, it was very nice, immediately into my buddies 05 M3 Comp, there was no contest, the IS was not even competition.
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Maybe, maybe not, I considered the Prius until I drove it, hands down the most boring car I have driven.

I'm a customer who wants MPG and fun to drive factor, so there's 1 sale taken from the Prius.
I'm with you, there. I drove a Prius and *really* wanted to like it. Not only did it make my 12 year old Camry feel like it was a sports car, but the seats were much worse than my 12 year old Camry. I also drove a Jetta TDI, and was ready to buy one until the salesman informed me that there was a $5k mark up over sticker. I spoke to the manager of the dealership and explained that I had cash, and he agreed to knock the mark up down to $3k.
I laughed in his face and walked out. I wound up buying a low mileage Speed3 for 14 grand with an eye towards more economical cars (and competition) in the next few years. I'd definitely test drive this Lexus hybrid, but would probably prefer a turbo diesel for the drivability and fuel economy.
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Prius isn't supposed to be a fun car though. And having driven a number of Jettas, including the TDI, I have yet to find one that I would consider fun. Economy cars aren't fun. While the CT has been rumored to be RWD and agile, I would wait for the 300, presumably based off of the 2.5L I4. A compact with the power of a 2.0L engine is going to be slow, even if it is a luxury car. But then I suppose BMW and MB have smaller engines coming stateside as well. So why not if you can make money on em?
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Prius isn't supposed to be a fun car though. And having driven a number of Jettas, including the TDI, I have yet to find one that I would consider fun. Economy cars aren't fun. While the CT has been rumored to be RWD and agile, I would wait for the 300, presumably based off of the 2.5L I4. A compact with the power of a 2.0L engine is going to be slow, even if it is a luxury car. But then I suppose BMW and MB have smaller engines coming stateside as well. So why not if you can make money on em?
but the TDI is still a decent handler, akin to the base Jetta. You can have a bit of fun with it. The Prius is more deliberate with poor grip.

Which one has the racing series?
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Old 02-13-2010, 11:50 AM   #15
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but the TDI is still a decent handler, akin to the base Jetta. You can have a bit of fun with it. The Prius is more deliberate with poor grip.

Which one has the racing series?
I'm sorry. I don't find anything redeeming about the Jetta's performance.
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I'm sorry. I don't find anything redeeming about the Jetta's performance.
Go drive a Prius and Jetta TDI back to back. Reach deep within yourself. You will find something redeeming. I guarantee it.

Seriously, the performance isn't great in a Jetta but it also doesn't inspire fear when it comes to cornering and braking like a Prius does. The TDI has enough power to pass a slower moving vehicle on the freeway, a Prius requires a lot more forethought before attempting the same maneuver. More importantly, the seats and driving ergonomics are remarkably better in the Jetta.
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Somehow I doubt the US will ever see a Lexus badged hatch back...but maybe I'm wrong.
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Maybe, maybe not, I considered the Prius until I drove it, hands down the most boring car I have driven.

I'm a customer who wants MPG and fun to drive factor, so there's 1 sale taken from the Prius.

Hopefully Lexus addresses the lack of emotion in their entire ToyoLexScion collection, not a smirk in the bunch. Yes, you're going to say IS350 or IS-F, ridden in an 08 IS350, it was very nice, immediately into my buddies 05 M3 Comp, there was no contest, the IS was not even competition.
Heh the been in a 08 IS-F, it isn't too bad , but the m3 still a bit more refined. Looks like Lexus still got some more to do on the F performance in order to be like the BMW Ms
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Heh the been in a 08 IS-F, it isn't too bad , but the m3 still a bit more refined. Looks like Lexus still got some more to do on the F performance in order to be like the BMW Ms
Marketing aside, Lexus & Infiniti don't even come close to the driving experience of a BMW.
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Bloody shame that never came in a stick shift in the US. It is a sharp looking car.
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but the TDI is still a decent handler, akin to the base Jetta. You can have a bit of fun with it. The Prius is more deliberate with poor grip.

Which one has the racing series?
They do have a Prius racing series in Japan.



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