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Old 02-14-2010, 01:09 AM   #1
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Event: dyno pull and street tune
Location: Applied Tuning, Cbus OH
Ambient Temp: 72 dyno, 30 street
Elevation: 902ft
Weather: cold, cloudy
Tires: Bridgestone, WS60 snow, 215/45/17

Car: 09, wrx
Tuner: Eric Hargett
Dyno Info: Dynojet
Peak HP at RPM: SAE corrected 1.00, NEW 296HP 6100RPM
Peak Torque at RPM: SAE corrected 1.00, 311TQ 3700RPM
Baseline hp/tq for a stock on same dyno: stock 09 wrx 230HP
Target Boost: 17
Target AFR: 11.1
Fuel: 93 Sunoco unleaded
Injectors/duty cycle: Stock 540cc/90%
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Turbo XS CBE
Perrin light weight pulley
Perrin UP
Perrin single cat DP NEW Invidia catless
Turbo XS CAI
Gimmspeed 3-port EBCS
Walbro 255lph pump
NGK 1 step colder plugs


First off I want to thank Eric and Bill at Applied Tuning!! They really spend time making sure every little thing is right where they want it to be!!! Unlike other dyno places ive seen, Eric likes to tune 2/3 on the street. AND NO; nothing crazy on the street or WOT just making sure the car is running and working 100%!! Total street and dyno in all we spent about 6hrs and as promised they charge only $350!! Anyone in the Ohio area I highly highly recommend Applied Tuning!!!

We first started logging for about 2 hours on the street. Checking all 50 plus items that these WRX’s monitor. I had no idea there was so much stuff to look at and change and re-change ect!! Once we got it pretty close we headed to the dyno. We had some problems while we were there. The car was really stubborn with Knock. It was 72 in the shop, winter gas, stock TMIC really made us mess around. The car wanted to make power! We know we wanted to target 17PSI because they for sure have seen stock TMIC and BPV crack over 17PSI on the street after a little time, but we could only get 290-294HP, 310-311TQ. Another 09 just the week before was hitting 300HP with no UP or LWP but was catless. my cat was just the damn problem!! Also the guy with no cat CRUSHED me on spool time till we met up at about 3700RPM! I knew I wanted catless but I just liked the Perrin so much. I cant go into great detail but I 100% a sure everyone!! CATS do cause power loss and some headache!! The other downside was my O2 bung was after the cat so tuning had to take into consideration about a 2% difference in readings.

We went for 18PSI and were on are way going from 311TQ to 320-330TQ but the stock TMIC was just not having it. The air could just not be cooled down! It kept pulling timing and was running to hot . So we backed it back down to 17psi and tuned a little more on the street for timing and stuff and low speed gas mileage. The dyno we used was a Dynojet and promised it was on the low reading side. A Mustang dyno down the street reads the same as theres so its on the low side or more real side.

Over all thoughts, she pulls hard, nice power, runs great at only hitting 16.75PSI and I cant wait to cut the cat off and put on the TurboXS FMIC so we can really see its max potential before we upgrade the injectors and run E85 this summer! I will take her to the track this summer to see how much faster I am over my 13.3 stock time and then ill go back with E85.

pics are of run number 6, not the most HP but are best looking run as far as knock and timing were concerned. at least every run HP and TQ were very consistent!

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Old 02-14-2010, 01:17 AM   #2
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any reason you chose to run 1 step colder plugs on a stg2 setup? and any ideas why it was knocking so much? you would think after spending so much time on it, you could iron that out...

i really want an 09 after all these threads in here.
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Old 02-14-2010, 01:51 AM   #3
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tuner told me too. i know "rule of thumb" isnt always the best but 75hp to i hear 100hp now is when you should drop them. since we added 60hp and will be at 70 something with the catless and FMIC, why not. then this summer with injectors and E85 at 90-100hp increase i wont have to worry. it wasnt knocking a lot. here and there but very small. they just set up the cars 100%. every little thing that he didnt like, he corrected, all good now! wastegate duty cycle was played with a lot and setting the 3-port up took time. most of the time was his laptop was crashing. we had to download and set up Bills laptop and use that.
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Old 02-14-2010, 04:25 AM   #4
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You can still make great power and have quick spool with a catted downpipe.

Go look at my datalog from the road dyno thread. In 3rd gear, I hit 17psi by 3000rpm and 20psi by 3400rpm, stock BCS, and running a MadDad V2 DP w/cat. If you're concerned about spool up but want to retain the cat, you could always have a 100cell MilSpec cat welded in place of the 300 cell one that Perrin uses. Then again, I believe my MadDad has a 300 cell cat as well and you can see how fast my car spools up.
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:01 AM   #5
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well its not like we didnt make good power. just 10hp less then a 09 catless. maybe its more then 10hp if i remove it. i made the same tq as the catless so i can say that the UP and LWP did do something. with the cat removed maybe i could make 305hp and 315tq which would show a 5hp difference because of the LWP and UP. not a lot but something and thats good because it means same dyno different cars read near 100% the same. as for spool of mine against his graph we both have full spool at 3700rpm. he just makes a small 15-30 more tq up to there. in a race though that doesnt matter because we'll never be under 3700rpm from launch to finish.
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:46 AM   #6
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Thats a nice looking dyno run. I noticed you said "a stock" for the dyno comparison. Was the stock run yours, or somebody else's car? If so, was it also an 09? Did you do a stock run yourself?
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Old 02-14-2010, 11:48 AM   #7
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Remove the cat and finish this tune on the street. I hate using chasis dyno's. Everything heats up so quickly. I do all my tuning on the open highways, late at night.

The one time I used a chasis dyno (55 degrees in room) my car would pull timing when I tried utilizing 21.5 psi and 17 degrees of timing at redline.

I turned the boost down to 20, and was fine, but the IAT's were climbing toward 100 degrees.

I put the car on the road and was able to run another degree of timing and 2 psi!!

To compensate for warmer wheather, I changed the knock correction tables in respect to IAT to pull 1.5* off timing starting at 100* F.

This is all just opinion though, as dyno's are great tools to use. Its just that many lack sufficient air cooling/air circulation.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:49 PM   #8
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Thats a nice looking dyno run. I noticed you said "a stock" for the dyno comparison. Was the stock run yours, or somebody else's car? If so, was it also an 09? Did you do a stock run yourself?
i should clarify. the 230hp stock run was not me and no i never dynoed mine stock. the 230hp was a guess on my part because eric has done 2 other 09's that made 240hp. the one had a CBE and the other had something that i cant remember off the top of my head. for the one guy with the CBE and the other with what ever performance part he had i took off 10hp.
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Old 02-14-2010, 12:53 PM   #9
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Sti Mikey i know what you mean! we had to wait and wait to cool down because the air was getting to hot and producing knock. best we could do was 185 degrees coolent and 81 degrees intake temp before we ran. once we were at like 4500rpm the intake would shoot to 100 and the coolent to 200 and you could just see knock starting to hit here and there and making it very annoying!! also the runs where the fans kicked on made that run just crap!! a front mount would have been so much nicer! after the dynoing we hit the street for another 20min and got rid of everything and it runs nice.
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:21 PM   #10
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bought an Invidia catless DP today. i may go do a base run with it to see 10 more HP up top and 1000rpm fast spool like other 09 wrx's with similar mods. if i dont make it back down with just the catless DP, i will make it back down with a Turboxs FMIC also installed so we can hit 18psi hopefully
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Old 02-16-2010, 12:35 PM   #11
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man the 09+ is a little beast! nice #'s man can't wait to see what it does in the 1/4
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Old 02-16-2010, 01:16 PM   #12
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09 WRX is really starting to show some performance. what turbo does it come with? sti?
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Old 02-16-2010, 07:23 PM   #13
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comes with a vf52
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Old 02-16-2010, 08:04 PM   #14
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, i will make it back down with a Turboxs FMIC also installed so we can hit 18psi hopefully
You'd like the TXS FMIC.... running one with a vf48 (for now) and no complaints about it. Replacement bumper beam needs to have a few holes elongated..... otherwise its great. But like in another thread in this forum about 48's & 52's, at redline its not a 300whp car. I like the flow of the tubing.... Unlike Perrin's, its actually "plumbed" for counter clockwise flow that all FMICs should be on *our* cars.
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:37 PM   #15
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^^^ cool! any chance of pics of the BPV flange, close ups of it on the car?? whats the replacement bumper beam? it comes with one?
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Old 02-16-2010, 10:45 PM   #16
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well i called the tuner today. i will be making it back down with just the catless DP on now. today getting on the highway at 28 degrees and 3rd gear i had boost creep CEL p0244 even with the perrin catted DP. he's gonna adjust the wastegate DC for this cold weather and do 3 runs so we can see the difference of cat vs no cat.
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^^^ cool! any chance of pics of the BPV flange, close ups of it on the car?? whats the replacement bumper beam? it comes with one?
I'll get up some pics tomorrow. She sure are purty to look at, expecially since I silvered and clear coated my inlet tube. Bumper beam weighs mayble 1/4 of the stock bumper beam...... I would bet that by going with the TXS FMIC, that you are actually making the car weigh just a little bit less, or at least moving the CoG back a very little tiny bit backwards. I installed it myself with literally not even an extra pair of hands if that tells you anything about the install. Needs to be run with either the Harmon Motive CAI, or the TXS intake - I know from experience; unless you're going with a short ram thats pretty much the only 2 intakes I ran and know fit.





You can re-use the snorkel to help pull in colder ambient air *directly* from outside to the filter element... Just trim maybe 1" off of the end of the snorkel (the end you DON'T see), and you're done. Unless you want to make all your plastic silver and clear coat it for the metal look. It probably doesn't do a damned thing for a true "ram air" effect....... But it looks cool and it certainly can't hurt IAT's in anyway. LOL Also, gaze in shock-and-awe at the GrimmSpeed 3prt BCS!

EDIT: No need to take a pic of the BPV flange..... literally nothing to see. Only that both ends of the vacuum hose that connects to the BPV and to the IM **MUST** be clamped on and not just a "press fit" from the factory.... Learned that the hard way! After all....... 21psi and kaboom!

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EDIT: Double Post. My bad!
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Old 02-17-2010, 11:21 AM   #20
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so the fmic kit comes with BPV flange so you can use the stock or turboxs BPV? comes with bumper beam so you dont have to hack yours up and at least you have something? and it comes with an adaptor that you bolt to the turbo compressor and then theres a 90 bent cupler?

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so the fmic kit comes with BPV flange so you can use the stock or turboxs BPV? comes with bumper beam so you dont have to hack yours up and at least you have something? and it comes with an adaptor that you bolt to the turbo compressor and then theres a 90 bent cupler?
Yes to every question!!

Need to buy an intake, BPV, or re-use stock BPV.
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Old 02-19-2010, 08:44 AM   #22
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what engine management did you use?
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Old 02-19-2010, 03:18 PM   #23
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AP, tuned by Clark Turner. I'm soon to be powered by a 20G however..... and will most likely get tuned at SpeedIndustry.biz.

Car is awesomely fast off the line - pulls hard to redline, but you can feel it running out of breath around 6k. I'm not sure if there is so much pressure in the system that it forces the wastegate open or not...... I'm running at 21psi, so...... Either way, the 20G has been begging me every day to drop it in. I want to do a comparison between the VF and 20G with all of the same supprting mods.
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open tune
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Old 03-06-2010, 10:27 PM   #25
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UPDATE: back from the dyno with NO CAT, im not really that happy (and ill tell you why) but we did what we should have done, i just wished for more. first off we did 5 runs. best run HP was up 7hp and TQ was the same. spool dropped about 500-600 rpm. depends were you look at the chart but its more or less then 500rpm. So end result im happy. No cat did add way more spool and 7hp!!

now why im unhappy. i found out why the other 09 is still making more power and torque. both times i went down i used Sunoco 93 by my house and both times im getting a lot of knock. the other 09 was run at 20 degrees of timing while mine couldnt be pushed past 18 degrees of timing. theres a TON of reasons this could be, im just hoping i got "bad gas" haha, and not a motor that doesnt like timing. again both times same fuel lots of knock. this summer with better blend "summer fuel" and Shell 93 im hoping we can see 20 degress and more power when i go back down with a front mount intercooler and BPV. i want to see 17 psi so again i can see an increase in power for adding on parts. then we are going to shoot for 18-19psi whatever 90% IDC will give us.

All and all 296hp 311tq at 17psi droping to 16psi at redline, 18 degress of timing.

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