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Old 04-21-2011, 09:51 AM   #476
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Wait a sec... The TD05 18g and 20G TS they make are "smaller" then the VF37 Polka pickle?? Thats dosent make sence. A TD05 housing is bigger than a VF37 housing.
When you look at their page and compare the current single scroll TD05-18g/20g to the Dominator 2.5XT-R (Polka Pickle) you will see the pickle is a 49lb min turbo vs the 20g being 44lb. Now, the SC46 is the twin scroll version of the pickle but flows slightly less due to the housing, 47lb, which is still greater than the 18/20g flow.
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:17 AM   #477
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AFAIK SC46 is a 49lb turbo
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:43 AM   #478
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AFAIK SC46 is a 49lb turbo
OP from Blouch has it as a 47lb
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:46 AM   #479
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possibly they are different
I have the data from scoobyclinic
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Old 04-21-2011, 10:54 AM   #480
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I am not sure how this keeps being referenced to the 2.5XTR Polka Pickle. When in actuality it's more like the Blouch 1.5XTR as it uses a 56.5mm turbine just like the SC46 uses and then uses a 49 lb/min XTR compressor.
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Old 04-21-2011, 11:36 AM   #481
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possibly they are different
I have the data from scoobyclinic
It's possible it was just a typo, but I've never seen it labeled as a 49lb, only basing the 47lb off of the OP. It is def the same turbo as the SC46, I confirmed that with scoobyclinic this morning.


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I am not sure how this keeps being referenced to the 2.5XTR Polka Pickle. When in actuality it's more like the Blouch 1.5XTR as it uses a 56.5mm turbine just like the SC46 uses and then uses a 49 lb/min XTR compressor.
That's just what I've always heard it referred too. Never received clarification on the issue. But the power levels are similar to the 2.5
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It's possible it was just a typo, but I've never seen it labeled as a 49lb, only basing the 47lb off of the OP. It is def the same turbo as the SC46, I confirmed that with scoobyclinic this morning.

That's just what I've always heard it referred too. Never received clarification on the issue. But the power levels are similar to the 2.5
Do you have any idea why ScoobyClinic is able to offer someone to purchase their SC46 without sending them your VF36/37, while if you contact Blouch you have to send them a VF36/37?

Just from reading the ScoobyClinic Billet Thread they say that they have their own housings and you can pay an extra fee of like $200 and you don't have to ship them your turbo...just seems weird that Blouch can't offer the same thing...
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Old 04-21-2011, 12:58 PM   #483
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Do you have any idea why ScoobyClinic is able to offer someone to purchase their SC46 without sending them your VF36/37, while if you contact Blouch you have to send them a VF36/37?

Just from reading the ScoobyClinic Billet Thread they say that they have their own housings and you can pay an extra fee of like $200 and you don't have to ship them your turbo...just seems weird that Blouch can't offer the same thing...
My thoughts are that scoobyclinic bought up a bunch of old/broken vf37's or somehow got housings for cheap. They leave them with Blouch who holds the housings for them exclusively. I spoke with Kev from Scoobyclinic and he assured me that they developed the SC46 with Blouch and if I send my VF37 to Blouch it will be the same turbo.

If you look at Scoobyclinics site you will see the SC36 and SC40 are now available in twin scroll but without the need for a new housing. These must be the 18g and 20g Blouch twin scrolls. You will then see that the SC46 in twin scroll still requires the VF37 housing, BUT they can supply the VF37 housing for an additional $250 (150 british pounds).
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Man I wish I had a VF37 just sitting around. There is no way I am going to subject my VF36 to having an SC46 created
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:03 PM   #485
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Man I wish I had a VF37 just sitting around. There is no way I am going to subject my VF36 to having an SC46 created
I've seen them floating around for $500, prolly less if it's beat up.
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:32 PM   #486
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I've seen them floating around for $500, prolly less if it's beat up.
Can you say what Blouch quoted you for the SC46?
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Old 04-21-2011, 03:56 PM   #487
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Can you say what Blouch quoted you for the SC46?
I don't see why not. $1600 which requires me sending my VF37 in. P&P was like $180, thermal coating $150 (I think). Not cheap, but very few options out there.
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:07 PM   #488
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Thats the same price as the 2.5XTR without P&P and Ceramic Coating. Thats not that bad considering, now if Blouch just had some extra Exhaust housings...

Well I am defintely really interested to see what you can get out of this setup yourself. Will you be running E85 by chance on this?
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Old 04-21-2011, 04:32 PM   #489
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Thats the same price as the 2.5XTR without P&P and Ceramic Coating. Thats not that bad considering, now if Blouch just had some extra Exhaust housings...

Well I am defintely really interested to see what you can get out of this setup yourself. Will you be running E85 by chance on this?
Yep E85 with a TMIC and other mods I'll list when done.
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Old 04-21-2011, 09:47 PM   #490
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That is going to be an awesome setup. What's even better is you have an EJ207 and we are finally going to see what a real upgraded stock location Twin Scroll will do on one here in the States.

Can't wait for your results
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Old 04-22-2011, 03:59 PM   #491
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In for those results as well. I was 20 minutes from purchasing a full rotated single scroll PERRIN kit before I came across this thread.

-Ver. 8 Ej207
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Old 04-22-2011, 06:09 PM   #492
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Just started a new thread to compare the different twin scroll options. I'm having a tough time deciding.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...1#post33930491
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Sorry to bring up an old thread, but has there been any developments on this? There's nothing on blouch's site regarding subaru TS turbos in any form. Am I correct in assuming that I could order a TS 20G XT-R from them today, without having to supply a P25 turbine?

There is this now though, http://www.tomiokaracing.com/index.p...or-subaru.html. Almost certainly a journal bearing unit, but I wonder if blouch could modify that with a BB CHRA and possibly a 3" inlet compressor. All the kit parts are available serperately as well.
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Personally, I would order that kit without the turbo. I'm running that turbo right now and it's a dog. The Blouch counterpart would have have made 40 more whp on the same dyno on the same day as mine. Check out the stock location twinscroll option thread, a bunch of us have compiled the choices there with results. Can't link to it on my phone, sorry

Edit: I'm not speculating on the Blouch unit's performance, my tuner has tuned 3 Tomiokaracing turbos and probably 30 Blouch 20G's in the last two months. He is confident that my car, unchanged except for turbo manufacturer, would have made 20% more power
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Hey guys -

I'm bumping this back from the dead as I have some updates on things.

Car is still running fine, yet eats oil. Motor is still bone stock and now has almost 108,000 miles on it.

I have always felt bad that I never really got to put this thing through it's true paces due to the age of the motor.

Over the next few months that is going to change as I will FINALLY be refreshing it.*

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We will be putting it together with this same JDM TS header, up, and down.

Turbo will stay the same but I may shoot it over to Blouch for a refresh while the car is down.

I MIGHT do some mild port work on the heads. MIGHT. It depends on time.

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Busy with the top scoob track car
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Busy with the top scoob track car
Even that one has been put on the back burner lately as we're still working through supporting changes to the main changes coming up.

Cryptic? Yes. Absolutely.
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Hey guys -

I'm bumping this back from the dead as I have some updates on things.

I have always felt bad that I never really got to put this thing through it's true paces due to the age of the motor.

Over the next few months that is going to change as I will FINALLY be refreshing it.

We will be putting it together with this same JDM TS header, up, and down.

Turbo will stay the same but I may shoot it over to Blouch for a refresh while the car is down.

I MIGHT do some mild port work on the heads. MIGHT. It depends on time.
Thanks for updating the thread. This is a setup I've got some interest in. I'm sure it's back in the thread someplace, but which turbo do you have again? Is it the 18g-XTR-TS? That's the one I've got the most interest in.

What is the best (IYO) first step on the heads? Port the dog-leg?

My primary interest in TS turbo is not spool, but rather removing the weak link #4 piston problems. It's been said elsewhere that the JDM TS cars have the per-cylinder compensation zeroed out, and that the TS header (and maybe TGV-less intake) are the reason. I don't recall whether it was the injector trim, spark trim or both which was zeroed.

Also, the JDM header looks like the best option by far. It doesn't crack and has the best set of heat shields available. The fact that Crawford uses it on Block's 500hp drift car tells me it won't be any kind of limiting factor in a ~350hp street car.

At any rate your car looks like a great test bed, so I'm waiting in anticipation. Thanks for sharing!
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Thanks for updating the thread. This is a setup I've got some interest in. I'm sure it's back in the thread someplace, but which turbo do you have again? Is it the 18g-XTR-TS? That's the one I've got the most interest in.

What is the best (IYO) first step on the heads? Port the dog-leg?

My primary interest in TS turbo is not spool, but rather removing the weak link #4 piston problems. It's been said elsewhere that the JDM TS cars have the per-cylinder compensation zeroed out, and that the TS header (and maybe TGV-less intake) are the reason. I don't recall whether it was the injector trim, spark trim or both which was zeroed.

Also, the JDM header looks like the best option by far. It doesn't crack and has the best set of heat shields available. The fact that Crawford uses it on Block's 500hp drift car tells me it won't be any kind of limiting factor in a ~350hp street car.

At any rate your car looks like a great test bed, so I'm waiting in anticipation. Thanks for sharing!
Hey check out the Stock Location Twin Scroll Thread A lot of information in there for you.

Also Turn In Concepts has the Blouch 2.5XTR Twin Scroll, but it's really a 1.5XTR as the trims are 49lb/min Compressor with a 56.5mm Turbine Wheel.
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Billet, ball-bearing and twin-scroll....the marketing trifecta of words people dont understand.

Buzzwords ftw (if only it had a Gamma-Ti turbine )
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