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Old 02-17-2010, 12:06 AM   #1
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Default STI steering rack on bug-eye wagon ?

I guess my search skills suck, because I'm sure the answer to this is here somewhere.....

I've been putting off replacing my leaking steering rack for long enough now. Just wondering if anyone has put an STI PS rack on a wagon. Seems like there's no reason it shouldn't work, but has anyone actually done it ? Any tricks to fitment ?

My thinking is that if I'm going to have to replace it anyway, I might as well go with the quicker ratio rack, since the wagon is getting back to seeing track time again this year

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Old 02-17-2010, 01:19 AM   #2
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i believe the only sti rack that can be put on is from an 04
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Old 02-17-2010, 01:29 AM   #3
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If it helps, I know Saab 9-2x have STi steering racks and theyre all wagon. Yes I realize you have a bugeye and they started making Saabarus in like 04' or something.. But hey its an STi rack in a wagon so thats a step.

You and I both know it can be done. Yes, it can be done. Any swap can be done in these cars, what youll have to mod to do it is up in the air. Ive pulled off what has been thought to be the impossible swap multiple times by the forum by simply grinding down this and that or using this bolt and thicker bearing sleeve in this and that or whatnot the other thing.
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Old 02-17-2010, 06:31 AM   #4
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the only rack that can easily be swapped in is an 04, to put an 05 in you would need to swap in the cross member as well, as the mounting points are different. i just did this in my bugeye with my swap
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Old 02-17-2010, 12:41 PM   #5
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I recently installed an 07 STi steering rack and crossmember into my bugeye wagon. It was pretty straightforward, just very time consuming since so much has to be disconnected (struts, control arms, cross member, rack, engine raised,etc.)

the only thing that didn't really line up were the lines. The hard lines coming off the rack are bent at a wee bit different angle. I had to carefully bend them a bit by hand to get them to line up with the lines/couplings coming off the PS pump/reservoir.

just take your time and have a buddy with you for help positioning stuff and a second opinion.

Its worth it, feels great and its much cheaper than a q-rack. Though I'd love to have one of those.
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Old 02-17-2010, 08:41 PM   #6
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Thanks for the responses. I'm looking at a re-manufactured '04 STI rack, sounds pretty straight forward. I've been rebuilding an FX16 GTS and can't wait to start working on my Suby again. So much easier !!
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Old 02-17-2010, 10:50 PM   #7
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Going the 04 sti route is certainly easier but the 05+ racks are a bit faster and the rack is more securely mounted. Whichever way you go make sure you install Whiteline heavy duty steering rack bushings while you're in there.
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:42 AM   #8
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Whiteline heavy duty steering rack bushings while you're in there.
do they really make that much a difference? i dont see to much talk about them. desribe your experience will ya?
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do they really make that much a difference? i dont see to much talk about them. desribe your experience will ya?
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the whiteline bushing won't slide like the oem does while turning the wheel
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Old 02-18-2010, 05:53 AM   #10
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Going the 04 sti route is certainly easier but the 05+ racks are a bit faster and the rack is more securely mounted. Whichever way you go make sure you install Whiteline heavy duty steering rack bushings while you're in there.
i thought all stis had the same ratio

personally, i'd choose the 04 to drop in.. sooooo much easier.. that is, if i can find one lol
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the whiteline bushing won't slide like the oem does while turning the wheel
hmm.. never realized it was sliding. whats the change in feeling?? im trying to set it up for this seasons autox, everythings torn apart right now so i may do this mod while im in there... if this makes a big change in steering thats a pretty important thing to mod then yeah?
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Old 02-18-2010, 07:26 AM   #12
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hmm.. never realized it was sliding. whats the change in feeling?? im trying to set it up for this seasons autox, everythings torn apart right now so i may do this mod while im in there... if this makes a big change in steering thats a pretty important thing to mod then yeah?
basically gives a better response while turning instead of the sloshiness.. i'm not sure how else to say it.. but ya, definitely worth swapping out the bushings=)
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Old 02-18-2010, 02:00 PM   #13
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I believe the 05+ went a wee bit quicker than the 04. I think standard 05+ WRX with new rack has same ratio as 04 STi. Could be mistaken.

The heavy duty steering rack bushings make a subtle but noticeable improvement in steering feel and response. Especially with the older style racks. Lots os squidge with the soft stock bushings. The newer racks can benefit from them as well. its a cheap upgrade for 35 bucks or so. Worth doing and a no brainer, IMHO.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:44 PM   #14
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aside i hear the drivers side one is a complete bitch, but those may have been noob posts... who knows.
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Old 02-18-2010, 03:54 PM   #15
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driver's side on the 02-04 can be a pain. sometimes i've been able to get it on in 30sec, sometimes 30 min! but its super easy with the rack out of the car.
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I've done this on a couple of cars.

The 05+ rack + the new front x-member is the way to go.

As Arnie said, the 05+ rack is a bit quicker AND it is located
far more rigidly in the x-member than the 04 rack.

And the WL bushings make a noticeable difference in feel -
especially on the track.

Good luck,

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Old 02-18-2010, 06:20 PM   #17
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I probably won't go as far as doing the crossmember and '05 rack. The '04 is easy to find anyway. I will definitely do the bushings, because the OEMs are like mush. You might as well just jam a styrofoam coffee cup in there !!

I may see how the car feels with the original rack converted to manual, just for fun and it's shot anyway. I did my '95 L like this http://www.flyinmiata.com/tech/depower.php?x=1 and enjoyed it. I think the wagon is a little too heavy, but we'll see. Eliminating that power steering pulley must be worth at least 3.5-4 HP
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Swapped an 04 sti rack on my bugeye with the whiteline bushings

it's easy I'f u get a 04 sti rack

actually took me 2 hrs to do the swap!!!

Easiest if you remove the inner tie rods off the rack with the inner tie rod removal tool

then drop the rack

it's a pain if u have the inner tie rods hanging on the side

great upgrade tho

my steering is soo much responsive and it has a quicker turn ratio

well worth the hassle!
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I have a spare 04 sti rack in great condition and I have a couple of extra new boots laying around that I can throw in too. Are you interested????
I Installed a RevLabs quick rack, It might be my fav. mod ever!!! the car is awesome to drive now... I just watch who I let drive it now, it's a bit more sensitive ;-)
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Old 02-19-2010, 05:52 PM   #20
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i agree, i drove a 2.0 turns L2L car at an autox. First time in it driving in anger and I don't know how many times I almost spun over correcting and over steering! But I loved the steering. Unfortunately, don't have the $$$ for that rack.
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