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Old 02-20-2010, 02:57 AM   #1
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Honda has announced that it is hard at work developing an all-new hybrid drive system to go into large cars and SUVs. The system is still under tight wraps, but is suggested to be due to hit the market in three years.

Honda has long been a brand known for its fuel efficient offerings, but since the release of the Toyota Prius, Honda has seemingly been stuck in a trailing position for some time.

Honda answered to the Prius with a hybrid of its own, the Insight. The Insight is a small hatchback that shares many of the same design cues as Toyota’s Prius, but differs in that Honda chose to go with a lower cost design, opting for a single electrical motor rather than two. The result is a slightly cheaper alternative to the Prius, but a vehicle that doesn’t achieve the class-leading fuel economy that the Prius is known for – coming in at only 40 city, and 43 highway mpg.

Next week, Honda plans to release it’s CR-Z hybrid, a small two-seater being billed as a sporty alternative to the traditional boring hybrids. The CR-Z also uses a single electric motor, and swaps out the 1.3-liter four-cylinder found in the Insight for a more powerful 1.5-liter four-cylinder engine. As a result of the more powerful gas engine and the single electric motor, the CR-Z is expected to only return 36 city, 38 highway with the CVT transmission. If owners opt for the manual transmission, the ratings drop to 31 city and 37 highway.

Looking to buck the trend as a fuel-efficiency follower, Honda says it is now working on a new system that it will utilize in its future large cars, crossovers and SUVs.
“We’ve left the research stage and entered the field of development,” said Tomohiko Kawanabe, chief operating officer of automobile research and development for Honda during an interview with Reuters.

Honda’s COO of research and development stopped short of clarifying if the new system is going to utilize either a single, or dual electric motors, but given the results from its single motor efforts, we believe it is a safe bet to say the automaker will use at least a dual motor setup.
Honda had initially announced that it would be turning to diesel engines for its fuel efficiency gains, but later abandoned the plans in late 2008
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Old 02-20-2010, 02:58 AM   #2
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We know that Honda’s performance arm Mugen is working on several performance modifications for the new 2011 Honda CR-Z hybrid sports car but it appears that a more aggressive Type R model may also be in the works.
Not so long ago the idea of a hybrid powertrain in a sports car was anathema to enthusiasts. But after the introduction of the KERS system in F1 last year, new cars like the Tesla Roadster and Audi's all-electric R8 e-tron concept, plus the wider acceptance of hybrids in general by the buying public, it's not so unimaginable anymore.
Expected to receive more aggressive styling mods and an uprated hybrid powertrain, the Honda CR-Z Type R should well and truly prove that hybrid vehicles can be sporty as well as efficient. Some of the modifications will include a new bodykit, carbon-fiber replacements for some of the body panels, a sports exhaust system and lowered ride height. There will also be a custom paint scheme with contrasting black and white shades.
As mentioned, the CR-Z’s hybrid powertrain will also get a boost. The standard set-up delivers a measly 122 horsepower but the addition of a tweaked engine and a bigger electric motor could see output increased to around the 170 horsepower mark. Owners will also be able to select a new driving mode that should adjust throttle and steering responsiveness to an optimal setting, providing maximum performance from the drivetrain package. A front-wheel drive layout and six-speed manual transmission should remain.
The standard 2011 Honda CR-Z is scheduled to go on sale this summer and if approved for production (and for sale in the U.S.), the new Type R model should be available sometime next year.
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:33 AM   #3
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If Honda adds the name Type r moniker to the CR-Z without removing as much weight as they can (as in remove the hybrid system). They will just be throwing a performance icon name out the door (like Chevy was doing with SS).
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Old 02-20-2010, 10:38 AM   #4
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Honda has long been a brand known for its fuel efficient offerings, but since the release of the Toyota Prius, Honda has seemingly been stuck in a trailing position for some time.
Um, the Prius has been out for over a decade... I think this is a bit of an understatement. OK, here's by speculation: Honda will cheap out on this system and go with another series setup that will inevitably fail. Honda will make some lame excuse about the new system being more driver focused but buyers will be turned off by its poor fuel economy, cheap interior, and class trailing levels of road and wind noise. I'm just sayin...
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:36 PM   #5
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3 years away is a long time. How did this company get so far off course after introducing the first hybrid in the United States?

Here's and idea. Take the Accord hybrid setup. Pair it with the more efficient 3.5L. Install in the Acura lineup.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:44 PM   #6
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3 years away is a long time. How did this company get so far off course after introducing the first hybrid in the United States?

Here's and idea. Take the Accord hybrid setup. Pair it with the more efficient 3.5L. Install in the Acura lineup.

Too expensive, not enough performance, not efficient enough to overlook the 1st two.
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Old 02-22-2010, 10:52 PM   #7
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Too expensive, not enough performance, not efficient enough to overlook the 1st two.
I disagree. I 270ish HP hybrid with the potential to get mid 20s in the city and over 30 on the highway. I think people would buy it behind an Acura badge. Lexus doesn't have a 30+ MPG sedan with that kind of power and neither does Caddy, MB. Perhaps the expensive, 335d would kind of be similar.
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Another Accord hybrid drivetrain under any badge would be flop. It's not the car that was a flop. I drove one years back and I have to say it was impressive in power and handling. The tranny was not well suited to the type of hybrid powertrain. When backing out of the throttle, the transmission would let out a loud thud if it was upshifting. The architecture of the car was impressive. It was fast, got great mileage, and had a nice cabin to eat hamburgers in. The car just didn't feel right. Honda needs to really smooth out that driveline design.
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If it's going to hit the market in three years, then they'd better be doing it as a series PHEV. GM, Toyota and Hyundai will have those on the market in quantity by then.
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Why do you think so Chromer? GM is obvious, but I haven't seen Toyota say they will do a series. (Not saying they haven't just haven't been paying attention since they poohpoohed series PHEVs and PHEVs in general last time, just like they said LiIon was bad then it turned out they invested in it and had tons of test vehicles with LiIon batteries.).
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If Honda adds the name Type r moniker to the CR-Z without removing as much weight as they can (as in remove the hybrid system). They will just be throwing a performance icon name out the door (like Chevy was doing with SS).
They already desecrated the Type-R name with the European Type-R hatch, which should have been called a Civic Si Hatchback.
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hybrid minivans are where the $$$ is at.
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Why do you think so Chromer? GM is obvious, but I haven't seen Toyota say they will do a series. (Not saying they haven't just haven't been paying attention since they poohpoohed series PHEVs and PHEVs in general last time, just like they said LiIon was bad then it turned out they invested in it and had tons of test vehicles with LiIon batteries.).
Whups. Fingers were moving faster than brain.

Yeah, Toyota is working on a PHEV, but using a beefed-up version of their Synergy system, not a serial system. My bad.

But Honda should do a series layout, as it's a leapfrog beyond what the 800lb gorilla (Prius) is doing, it's mechanically simpler, quieter, smoother, you can use a tiny little engine (which Honda's motorcycle side has great experience with) that only needs to meet the vehicle's 30-minute average power demand, and yeah, probably far more efficient (that remains to be publicly shown).
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No worries dude. I remember making a similar mistake recently about a certain battery

I just thought I would check as right now Toyota seems intent on making a parallel PHEV that is the smallest possible size to still get government money. I just thought maybe you had heard something new and better.
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