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Old 02-23-2010, 10:28 AM   #1
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OMGHi2U If you're a Suby racer and ever wanted to race in SCCA IT, vote for this rule change

New motor mount rule proposed, as we currently have to use stock motor mounts, please vote yes for this change to IT, as you're certainly going to want to use aftermarket motor mounts if you are running a Subaru in IT.

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"Engine mounts of alternate design and/or material may be used, but there can be no change to the engine’s fore, aft or vertical location. Engine mounts must attach to the engine and the chassis in their stock locations."

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Old 02-23-2010, 04:10 PM   #2
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i'm confused, you want to run different engine mounts which in no way affect the location of the engine but SCCA is not allowing it?

Have you tried talking to Robert Story of SCCA pro?
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Old 02-23-2010, 04:36 PM   #3
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IT = Improved Touring. If you don't know about that class, I guess you won't quite get it
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:15 PM   #4
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IT = Improved Touring. If you don't know about that class, I guess you won't quite get it

I know the class, my team has run this class with our 02 Acura RSX with a custom engine mount set up for a K24 as opposed to the K20. 2 engine mounts moved roughly 1 inch and SCCA or Cal Club approved it once Mike Story at SCCA pro approved the part.

Currently we are running ST or the equivalent of Super Touring now.
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:26 PM   #5
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Nope, thats not IT
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Old 03-03-2010, 12:38 AM   #6
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the SCCA sounds like so much fun.
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:08 PM   #7
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if your hurting bad then just get some group n mounts
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:37 PM   #8
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if your hurting bad then just get some group n mounts
brilliant!
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Old 03-03-2010, 04:00 PM   #9
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For those that do not understand what this conversation is about:

Improved Touring is a class of SCCA Road Racing. It is considered to be a low cost class. The rules say essentially that you can take out the interior and put in a roll cage and belts and go racing. Everything else on the car should be like it came from the dealer. If the rules don't say you can change something, you can not change it. This keeps cost low by not allowing expensive mods. So if the rules don't say specifically that you can use an alternate motor mount, then you can not use a group N motor mount. There is apparently a move to allow alternate motor mounts. So if you think this is a good thing, follow the OPs directions. Or if you think it will just raise costs, follow the directions but vote no.
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:10 PM   #10
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For those that do not understand what this conversation is about:

Improved Touring is a class of SCCA Road Racing. It is considered to be a low cost class. The rules say essentially that you can take out the interior and put in a roll cage and belts and go racing. Everything else on the car should be like it came from the dealer. If the rules don't say you can change something, you can not change it. This keeps cost low by not allowing expensive mods. So if the rules don't say specifically that you can use an alternate motor mount, then you can not use a group N motor mount. There is apparently a move to allow alternate motor mounts. So if you think this is a good thing, follow the OPs directions. Or if you think it will just raise costs, follow the directions but vote no.
In a perfect world people would follow the rules and not upgrade equipment with newer OEM... but reality is they do.

If I had an 04 STi I would convert the hubs and keep my mouth shut.. along with any other part that has evolved. Motor mounts need to be changed over time.. I doubt the "evolved" ones cost much more.

If you need the part numbers just PM.
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Old 03-03-2010, 05:21 PM   #11
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^^thats what I did, if thats what your talking about, swapped my 04 sti to

05-07 style hubs/knuckles/axles/rotors/wheels/shocks/rack & crossmember, much stronger now

but yea, get gruppe n, if they dont change the rules, thats what they were designed for right?
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So if you were to do that, and win, then you'd get protested and kicked out, because you are technically illegal.

I'm trying to be legal with the motor mounts, as its just an old rule vs one thats updated. Its not a "they are stupid", its a "its a 20 year old rule that no one bothered to update"

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So if you were to do that, and win, then you'd get protested and kicked out, because you are technically illegal.

I'm trying to be legal with the motor mounts, as its just an old rule vs one thats updated. Its not a "they are stupid", its a "its a 20 year old rule that no one bothered to update"

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If you can tell the differance between the two mounts your very very good.

If I did happen to come in second I would protest every car for that matter..they all have changed somthing down the line unless it's a new car.
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Old 03-03-2010, 06:15 PM   #14
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"All engine components not otherwise listed in these rules shall
meet factory specifications for stock parts."


They came stock on my car...

Your legal.
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Old 03-03-2010, 08:02 PM   #15
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Some of you guys aren't so smrt.
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And some of us have the brains to just keep their mouths shut and replace the parts on their cars with OEM like parts.

I would vote NO on the rule change because that would allow the non-subaru crowd to use completly non OEM equipment ... all the dickweasel integra owers will be installing solid mounts.

I sure hope you drive a subaru...

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And some tech guys know the difference between OEM and aftermarket parts. Since IT is now a Runoffs class, why risk it?
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If you want them so bad, put them on and race in a modified class. For **** sake man, this thread is retarded.
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And some tech guys know the difference between OEM and aftermarket parts. Since IT is now a Runoffs class, why risk it?
thats why the best option is the grp n mounts ..you cant tell the differance
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thats why the best option is the grp n mounts ..you cant tell the differance
Agreed. Get a Grp.N and be hush hush about it
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Broad cast it on the Internet. Of course there are no tech inspectors who every read any thing here.
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