Street Mod.

[subydude]

Those will work, but these are better

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_...sans_vehicle=1

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[SubieEngineer]

Originally Posted by subydude

Those will work, but these are better

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_...sans_vehicle=1

I've always wondered how those compare to TIC's FCAR bushings: http://turninconcepts.com/product_in...oducts_id=1177.

[mccanixx]

^^ the tic ones don't look offset from the pics and they're also not one solid piece of urethane, or whatever.

And since I've destroyed a set of the yellow whiteline versions, which is one solid piece. I wouldn't trust them on a stiffly sprung car with big stickies on it. If that's what we're after.

Just my .02

[SubieEngineer]

Originally Posted by mccanixx

^^ the tic ones don't look offset from the pics and they're also not one solid piece of urethane, or whatever.

And since I've destroyed a set of the yellow whiteline versions, which is one solid piece. I wouldn't trust them on a stiffly sprung car with big stickies on it. If that's what we're after.

Just my .02

Wow... Fair enough. Just wanted a perspective on them. I don't run R's, and I'm still on spring/strut. I have the TiC bushings and the MSI housing, just haven't bothered to get them on the car.

[mccanixx]

Probably should add that the black should be a "harder" durometer than the yellow. Obviously shouldn't distort as much and possibly not do what mine did.

I will try whitelines black version and would possibly try tics if they added caster. I can't tell from the pic and it doesn't say they do, I don't think.

mmmm msi mount.

[Claymra]

Which MSI mount are you talking about?

[polyol]

Originally Posted by Claymra

Just checking on something...

I have blown out the liquid filled bushing on the rear of my front control arms... I need replacements and would love to go ALK for that if it was allowed in "normal" auto-x classes...

Offset bushings for an ALK is not legal in SM. If the aftermarket mount doesn't change the geometry and bolts into the normal location...then that is OK.

That said lots of guys run an ALK in SM and no one really cares. If you are in contention for the top two spots in SM, then someone might have something to say.

[SubieEngineer]

Originally Posted by mccanixx

Probably should add that the black should be a "harder" durometer than the yellow. Obviously shouldn't distort as much and possibly not do what mine did.

I will try whitelines black version and would possibly try tics if they added caster. I can't tell from the pic and it doesn't say they do, I don't think.

mmmm msi mount.

Yeah, I forgot about the difference in stiffness of the bushings.

Originally Posted by Claymra

Which MSI mount are you talking about?

TiC ran a group buy back for the FCAR bushings couples with an MSI replacement housing for them, so you don't have to press the stock bushings out, simply take the bracket/bushings off the car and replace.

Group Buy Link: http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...&highlight=msi

[Claymra]

Originally Posted by subydude

Those will work, but these are better

http://www.whiteline.com.au/product_...sans_vehicle=1

Without using a press would these be the next best thing?

https://www.subarugenuineparts.com/p...roducts_id=746

I see I can still get the MSI and TIC bushings combo but it is more than 2X as much. Are the group-n ones any good at all?

Clay

[speedyHAM]

Speaking from experience with the TIC FCAR bushings on my XP car, they work great. I run probably the stickiest tires of anyone here and they have held up great. The 2 piece design is not a problem with how they are built and installed. Due to other changes I didn't need the additional caster from the rear bushing, so they were almost perfect for my car.

[subydude]

Group-N is fine, but if you're going to replace them I'd follow the mantra of "do it once, do it right" and get something nice and solid in there along with offset for more caster. As someone who's had to redo a lot of mods to get it right, I wish someone had told me that Group-N is good for street cars and not autox cars.

[Claymra]

^^I ended up going with the MSI housing and TIC bushing combo. I think that will be a great improvement over the blown out bushings on the car now. Had a good time this past weekend at CMP. Felt like I drove pretty well but still there is room for improvement.

Clay

[SubieEngineer]

Originally Posted by Claymra

^^I ended up going with the MSI housing and TIC bushing combo. I think that will be a great improvement over the blown out bushings on the car now. Had a good time this past weekend at CMP. Felt like I drove pretty well but still there is room for improvement.

Clay

Slight OT... Blue #4 bugeye in the DE group...? I was there, as well, #4 gray STI in the Solo group.

I need to either sell mine or get them on the car.

[subydude]

Clay has the black with gold wheels bugeye. I've seen the gray limited before. Didn't know that was you. I'm in all sorts of cars these days, but if you find the tall, blond scruffy guy with the floppy green hat that's me.

[Claymra]

Originally Posted by SubieEngineer

Slight OT... Blue #4 bugeye in the DE group...? I was there, as well, #4 gray STI in the Solo group.

I need to either sell mine or get them on the car.

I saw you out there. Do you know where results can be found? I feel like I did decent (59.022 I think) on less than sticky Eagle F1 tires in the Auto-X. I wanted to see how I stacked up to the better setups/drivers out there.

The course was really fun. I started out running a 64.XXX time and shaved it down to the 59.XXX by the end. Had a blast!

Clay

[SubieEngineer]

Originally Posted by subydude

Clay has the black with gold wheels bugeye. I've seen the gray limited before. Didn't know that was you. I'm in all sorts of cars these days, but if you find the tall, blond scruffy guy with the floppy green hat that's me.

Yup, that was me. If I see you at an event, I'll be sure to say hey. I pretty much kept to myself Saturday.

I like AX, but much prefer track time, especially when it's cheap.

I may be relocating shortly for work, but hopefully I'll be able to stay in the SE... Or at least close enough to make the drive to several tracks.

Originally Posted by Claymra

I saw you out there. Do you know where results can be found? I feel like I did decent (59.022 I think) on less than sticky Eagle F1 tires in the Auto-X. I wanted to see how I stacked up to the better setups/drivers out there.

The course was really fun. I started out running a 64.XXX time and shaved it down to the 59.XXX by the end. Had a blast!

Clay

I don't know, unfortunately. I know someone asked in the SE stickied thread, but didn't see a link posted.

[Squidz]

Originally Posted by subydude

Group-N is fine, but if you're going to replace them I'd follow the mantra of "do it once, do it right" and get something nice and solid in there along with offset for more caster. As someone who's had to redo a lot of mods to get it right, I wish someone had told me that Group-N is good for street cars and not autox cars.

Originally Posted by Claymra

^^I ended up going with the MSI housing and TIC bushing combo. I think that will be a great improvement over the blown out bushings on the car now. Had a good time this past weekend at CMP. Felt like I drove pretty well but still there is room for improvement.

Clay

Just to clarify for those watching...

Offset bushings like the ones being duscussed (bushings that affect camber, A.K.A. Anti-Lift Kits) are NOT legal in SM.

Sorry, there was a bit of confusion...just got a couple people asking about it.

[mccanixx]

Originally Posted by Squidz

Just to clarify for those watching...

Offset bushings like the ones being duscussed (bushings that affect camber, A.K.A. Anti-Lift Kits) are NOT legal in SM.

Sorry, there was a bit of confusion...just got a couple people asking about it.

Bushing/s is/are legal....housing for bushing that changes material, dimesions, attachment point, etc from factory is not (not sure about SM but SP is that way).

Bushing may be changed as long as the metal content blah blah blah...

[subydude]

Originally Posted by Squidz

Just to clarify for those watching...

Offset bushings like the ones being duscussed (bushings that affect camber, A.K.A. Anti-Lift Kits) are NOT legal in SM.

Sorry, there was a bit of confusion...just got a couple people asking about it.

Actually, housings that are offset is what's illegal. You can offset the bushing in a stock housing however you want because you're not changing the pickup point. The issue is the anti lift kits offset the housing itself but leave the bushing centered. The kit I posted (and I haven't looked at TiC's kit) are legal as the housing is the same, but the bushing is moved so that it relocates the rear of the control arm.

I've been running the Whiteline race bushing for several years now in the max caster position and it seems to be holding up ok.

[subydude]

Originally Posted by mccanixx

Bushing/s is/are legal....housing that changes material, dimesions, attachment point, etc from factory is not.

Bushing may be changed as long as the metal content blah blah blah...

We don't have the metal content rule in SM

Keep your silly SP rules outta here

[mccanixx]

Originally Posted by subydude

We don't have the metal content rule in SM

Keep your silly SP rules outta here

HA!!! Sorry. You know why I'm peaking in here more lately...

hmmm 9k revving SM goodness for 2014

[04trailsti]

Originally Posted by Claymra

I saw you out there. Do you know where results can be found? I feel like I did decent (59.022 I think) on less than sticky Eagle F1 tires in the Auto-X. I wanted to see how I stacked up to the better setups/drivers out there.

The course was really fun. I started out running a 64.XXX time and shaved it down to the 59.XXX by the end. Had a blast!

Clay

I ran a 55.1w/ the SM Evo on street tires.It was my first time driving Joes Evo. If you send me your email Ill forward you the results.

[Leafy]

Originally Posted by mccanixx

Bushing/s is/are legal....housing for bushing that changes material, dimesions, attachment point, etc from factory is not (not sure about SM but SP is that way).

Bushing may be changed as long as the metal content blah blah blah...

Was just going to come in and say the same thing but I was cooking steak.

[Squidz]

Originally Posted by subydude

Actually, housings that are offset is what's illegal. You can offset the bushing in a stock housing however you want because you're not changing the pickup point. The issue is the anti lift kits offset the housing itself but leave the bushing centered. The kit I posted (and I haven't looked at TiC's kit) are legal as the housing is the same, but the bushing is moved so that it relocates the rear of the control arm.

I've been running the Whiteline race bushing for several years now in the max caster position and it seems to be holding up ok.

Isn't that considered changing the pick-up point of the control arm? I see what you are saying, and agree with you, in fact i argued the same thing at a Divisional event...but have been told otherwise by some SCCA officials.

[mccanixx]

Originally Posted by Squidz

Isn't that considered changing the pick-up point of the control arm? I see what you are saying, and agree with you, in fact i argued the same thing at a Divisional event...but have been told otherwise by some SCCA officials.

They're wrong. The rules may not have intended it but that's some rule creep.

The control arm and bushing housing remains unaltered. The bushing, on the other hand, is open.

SCCA solo rules are an enigma wrapped in a lolipop

btw I dig yer bugeye!