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Old 03-08-2010, 09:03 AM   #1
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2009 Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Concept

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Late last year, Ed Welburn, GM's vice president of global design, invited GM's 10 styling studios to submit design proposals.

Some "were absolutely phenomenal," Welburn said. "There is a lot to pick from. The direction that we take is very important, and the decision has not been made."

Global input on the Corvette's design is one of several steps GM is taking to attract buyers in Europe, where the car has little appeal, and young U.S. buyers who favor imports.

"We have challenges in the States with the Corvette," Welburn said in an interview at the Geneva auto show. "The average age of the customer is really rising."

The current average age of a Corvette buyer is 54, according to the Power Information Network, a unit of J.D. Power and Associates.

Corvette sales are in a tailspin. Last year 13,934 were sold in the United States, down 48 percent from 2008.

The current Corvette debuted in the 2005 model year. Prices range from $49,880 for the base coupe to $107,830 for the ZR-1. Both prices include shipping.

A redesign is due in two to three years, industry sources say.

Corvette critics often cite the sports car's size, saying it looks big. They also point to what they say is a cheap-looking interior.

Welburn admitted the interior has a problem: "The execution, materials selection -- it's got to be a much better interior. Our customers desire that."

Welburn said today's Corvette is about the same size as the Porsche 911, but the styling makes it look bigger. "We have to develop a design that feels trimmer, meaner, to go along with the incredible performance that the car has," he said.

In addition to styling, content, pricing and marketing strategy are under discussion, he said.

"It is a key time in the development of the Corvette," Welburn said. "There is a lot of debate and a lot of study on the bandwidth of Corvette."

But, he added, "It can't mutate into something that gets so far away from Corvette that it is no longer a Corvette."
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:43 AM   #2
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Uuuugly!

They just shoved a new Camaro frontend onto a Stingray backend. Blah.
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Old 03-08-2010, 11:58 AM   #3
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This article pretty much hits the nail on the head. The vette does look much bigger than it is, and the interior is horrible. As far as the average age of buyers being 54, for comparision, I'd like to see the average age of 911 buyers.

That 'Stingray' concept above though is a major step backwards for GM.
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:05 PM   #4
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I always hated the Stingray-era 'Vettes, but the split rear window might be a neat throwback.
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:12 PM   #5
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This article pretty much hits the nail on the head. The vette does look much bigger than it is, and the interior is horrible. As far as the average age of buyers being 54, for comparision, I'd like to see the average age of 911 buyers.

That 'Stingray' concept above though is a major step backwards for GM.
agreed, right in the head.

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the young US buyer who favors imports can't afford a corvette

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the average price of corvettes sold is really rising
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:27 PM   #6
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to me it's good to see these items mentioned:


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Old 03-08-2010, 12:31 PM   #7
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^Compare a 240Z to a 370Z......not the same

I think the STi and Evo in their latest generation are starting to go off on a tangent.

mustang, camaro - too large and expensive compared to their roots.

yeah the vette has stayed pretty solid and linear in its evolution thus far, and I dont want that to change.
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Old 03-08-2010, 12:54 PM   #8
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I have really become a Corvette fan since the 2005 came out. I liked the first ZR1 because it was brutally fast for its time, but no other Corvettes inspired me. Now that I'm in my mid 30's, I wouldn't mind having a Corvette from the late 60's thru mid 70's. I also wouldn't mind getting a Grand Sport Convertible. That aside, the evolution of the Corvette has been fun to watch.

Someone mentioned the price and younger buyers. The baby boomers are going to stop buying these cars and there are no real replacement buyers for those boomers, not at least for another 15 years. I like the concept, but somehow, they need to build a Corvette that will draw people in my age group who don't have kids and don't want kids. I don't think this concept is that car. And yes, figure out the interior. To me the current interior is just fine, but if I were a critic, it doesn't hold a candle to any luxury sports cars out there.
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Old 03-08-2010, 01:19 PM   #9
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This is going to sound ultra-racist, but the current Camaro was designed by a Korean guy and a Russian guy working together and it's the worst-looking Camaro yet because the chief designer said they "wanted a Camaro designed by people who didn't grow up around the Camaro" Not to say that I don't like the car underneath the styling, but they could have done much better.

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Old 03-08-2010, 03:39 PM   #10
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Those pics make it look bad. The one in transformers looked better by far.
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Old 03-08-2010, 05:43 PM   #11
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This is going to sound ultra-racist, but the current Camaro was designed by a Korean guy and a Russian guy working together and it's the worst-looking Camaro yet because the chief designer said they "wanted a Camaro designed by people who didn't grow up around the Camaro" Not to say that I don't like the car underneath the styling, but they could have done much better.
lol i hope you are not saying the 3rd or 4th gen camaro look better than the current gen

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Old 03-08-2010, 06:09 PM   #12
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The current gen camaro looks pretty damn good, IMHO, it just weighs a ton more than it should.

Having owned a C6 Z51 previously, I will tell you the car handles (track duty) a heck of a lot better than most people think, but still can feel big/look big on normal roads.

If they can sell a 400hp Camaro for around $30K, they would need to bring down the vette price closer to $40K (for a base base model) to sell to a younger crowd as well, otherwise, they will continue to see sales go down on the new ones, while the used market is hopping quite madly it seems (low prices).
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Old 03-08-2010, 07:09 PM   #13
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A smaller engine might grab some buyers in Europe. I'm not saying offer a V6, but a DI 4.0L V8 in an already light car could really appeal to the sports car buyer afraid of high petrol prices. Might even be good for the States too. You wouldn't have to worry about going broke running it.
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lol i hope you are not saying the 3rd or 4th gen camaro look better than the current gen

Actually, they were great looking cars for their time. The new Camaro looks stubby and kinda cheap unless you get the RS package.

I would kill somebody for a car with current Camaro mechanicals under this body, and yes, I know it's a Firebird.

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I'm still waiting for the Corvette to look like this





1992 Stingray III concept...not bad for a near 20 year old design
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Wow those wheels are very 90s.
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Actually, they were great looking cars for their time. The new Camaro looks stubby and kinda cheap unless you get the RS package.

I would kill somebody for a car with current Camaro mechanicals under this body, and yes, I know it's a Firebird.

I always though the previous gen camaros looked dated as soon as they came out. The current gen is nice though. Only other I'll take over the current is one of these:

If weren't for the joke of an interior the current year Corvettes would be one of my favorite of the current breed of sport scars.
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I always though the previous gen camaros looked dated as soon as they came out. The current gen is nice though. Only other I'll take over the current is one of these: (pre 1970s Camaro)
I'm the same. I really don't like any in between style wise. 70-81 looked like a fish, 82-92 looked like they should come free with your rent at the trailer park, 93-97 looked different but had the same feel, and 98-2001 were just OK but not really interesting.

Just a note: I'm talking purely cosmetic.
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I have really become a Corvette fan since the 2005 came out. I liked the first ZR1 because it was brutally fast for its time, but no other Corvettes inspired me. I also wouldn't mind getting a Grand Sport Convertible. That aside, the evolution of the Corvette has been fun to watch.

Someone mentioned the price and younger buyers. The baby boomers are going to stop buying these cars and there are no real replacement buyers for those boomers, not at least for another 15 years. I like the concept, but somehow, they need to build a Corvette that will draw people in my age group who don't have kids and don't want kids. I don't think this concept is that car. And yes, figure out the interior. To me the current interior is just fine, but if I were a critic, it doesn't hold a candle to any luxury sports cars out there.
Agree totally, though I admit I'm surprised the average owner age is still going up. I would've guessed more young people were like you and I, and actually like the C6. Maybe they do, but the price excludes the demographic.

Also have to agree about the interior. They absolutely do need to improve it with the next generation, as it's about the only thing you possibly can complain about... but anyone who says it's "terrible" or "a joke" is kidding themselves. It's not great, I'd even say it's below average, but it ain't that bad.

And I've never understood how people on a mainly WRX and STI board can complain about it; they were happy to shell out their for a car with a below average interior in trade for awesome performance but claim the Corvette is a horrible car when it's doing exactly the same thing... only instead of $35K and having sports car performance, it's $45K and has basically supercar performance.
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I personally find it comical that a 75K Z06 has fake stitching molded into the plastic panels to simulate a leather or suede cover look. But my friend shut me up real quick when he planted the accelerator pedal.
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Give me a 67 vette with current underpinnings.
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Someone mentioned the price and younger buyers. The baby boomers are going to stop buying these cars and there are no real replacement buyers for those boomers, not at least for another 15 years. I like the concept, but somehow, they need to build a Corvette that will draw people in my age group who don't have kids and don't want kids. I don't think this concept is that car. And yes, figure out the interior. To me the current interior is just fine, but if I were a critic, it doesn't hold a candle to any luxury sports cars out there.
And any luxury sports car out there that's the same price(MSRP) doesn't hold a candle to the performance numbers. Not justifying the so-so interior, BUT the only cars keeping up with C6 Z06's are double and triple the price.

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I personally find it comical that a 75K Z06 has fake stitching molded into the plastic panels to simulate a leather or suede cover look. But my friend shut me up real quick when he planted the accelerator pedal.
Agreed. The interior is ok, but once the skinny pedal is pushed, you know where your money went.


Edit: And I do not like the concept pics so far. The only angle I do like is the last pic, the sides. Rear end bleh and front end ugh.


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And I've never understood how people on a mainly WRX and STI board can complain about it; they were happy to shell out their for a car with a below average interior in trade for awesome performance but claim the Corvette is a horrible car when it's doing exactly the same thing... only instead of $35K and having sports car performance, it's $45K and has basically supercar performance.
hehehehe....That is spot on Skunkers. I love the WRX for WHAT IT IS. A car that can do anything fast, stone cold reliable, and in general a sad interior and not pretty to the average on-looker. To me the WRX is a shere work of engineering pride and near total practicality.

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And any luxury sports car out there that's the same price(MSRP) doesn't hold a candle to the performance numbers. Not justifying the so-so interior, BUT the only cars keeping up with C6 Z06's are double and triple the price.
finRex, you are doubly spot on! Not many predators out there that can take out the Z06. My neighborhood is full of Corvettes and they all have better interiors than any car I have owned. For the performance figures, I can deal with what others consider crappy interior. To me, it is just fine.
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