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Old 05-30-2002, 12:29 PM   #1
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Can someone PLEASE help me out with this?

I'm having a problem with the 5th gear pop out that is occuring on MY00 5MT's. I am looking for the TSB # for the TSB on the "main shaft nut" problem that causes the 5th gear to start popping out after letting off the throttle.

I've already told the service manager at my dealership about the problem but he can't find any TSB for it. He asked me to find it for him. It was suggested to me to have him call SOA and ask about the "main shaft nut" problem and they should be able to inform him of it. I'd like to get this TSB for myself anyway but can't find the actual TSB #.

I've already searched the archives and can't find anything other than the mention of it.


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Old 05-30-2002, 02:39 PM   #2
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I know alldata.com has a 24.95 subscription fee that lets you view all TSB's for your car for a year but want to try and find the TSB # before spending the money on something I"m not sure will even show up.. I'm hoping it would be there.

Maybe someone who has one of these subscriptions can answer my question: If you subscribe to you see more TSB's for your car than those that list on the site? I see 2 (or 4, can't remember to be honest) TSB's out there for my MY00 5MT, one for the O2 sensor and the other for the 4EAT temp light. I'm sure theres more but it doesn't say anything if there are more or not.

I just want to know if I would definitely get that TSB listed if I spent the 25$ to get the subscription.

Any help is greatly appreciated in, what I'm sure will be, a painful fight against the dealer and SOA.

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Old 05-30-2002, 06:45 PM   #3
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I had this happen to my00 RS. When i get home 1:30AM EST I'll look up my reciept. that should have the info you need. Dealer fixed it under warrenty.

edit: dealer fixed it under warrenty, no questions asked. gave me a loaner car as well. they had my car for 2 weeks for diagnosing the problem, ordering parts and actually fixing it.
It may also be possible to give that dealership a call since at least theyv'e seen it once

http://www.lester.subaru.com/

Lester Glenn Subaru
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Old 05-30-2002, 09:19 PM   #4
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Dont' know to what extent your dealer may be able to look into old RO's from other dealerships however when I got home today after emailing you back, I found the RO for my main shaft nut fix. The invoice number is 024079 from dealer # 010-172. The TSB number is not present on the RO, but the Failure Codes listed are (and I quote):

Labor Op 323-101 4.5 Failure Code
Labor Op 323-306 1.0 Failure Code KDL-23

The parts replaced were

1 of 32650AA050 Synchro Set
1 of 32145AA030 Gasket Case
1 of 33179AA030 Gasket Transfer
1 of 802622010 Nut
1 of 803522030 Lock Washer
4 of SOA635001 Gear Oil

Hope that is of some help to your dealership!


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Old 05-30-2002, 11:09 PM   #5
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I discovered that an acquaintance of mine works for alldata and was able to hook me up with the TSB's.. he looked for me and found one for 1st gear popping out on 98-99's but he couldn't find anything that specifically mentioned 5th gear pop out. He did find a TSB for some changes to the service manual and one of the changes was the main shaft nut but it doesn't say that there currently is a problem with it coming loose and causing 5th gear pop out. I still plan on showing it to my dealer just to document that there was a mistake noted about the specs on this. If I'm looking at the right # it appears to be TSB # 18-55-00 . It is a 20 page TSB and he only faxed me the front page and the page that is documenting the change to the service manual for the main shaft nut.

So far I've printed out the 2 longer threads I've found about people complaining about this problem - both also having North Ursalia mentioning the TSB for it and that its a common problem. Hopefully it'll just help solidify my case.

My main concern right now is that it hasn't deteriorated to point where its always popping out of gear or grinding when I put it back in. It has actually only happened 3 times in the last 4 days, twice yesterday and once a couple days before that. I can't reproduce the problem at will. I keep trying to duplicate the problem, the only thing I can reproduce is the noticeable movement of the shifter while in 5th gear, if I apply partial throttle the shifter pulls towards the back of the car, if I let off it shifts forward again so hopefully this is enough for them to investigate my claims further. I know they won't tear it apart just on my word, I just hope that it starts acting up sooner rather than later before it destroys 5th gear and its sycnro's, and that it doesn't happen after my 60K powertrain warranty is up. I'm hoping that if that is the case I will have the paperwork from this inspection as well as documented cases on I-Club to show that this does happen often.

I'll be printing out this thread also after it appears to have died off to document more info on others' cases with this problem.

Thanks to everyone for their help, especially you Brian, I appreciated your prompt emails today.
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Old 05-31-2002, 02:56 PM   #6
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I wasn't able to find my papers from the dealer, but to ease your mind a bit, I drove my car for a a week and a half untill my appointment. I was able to prevent any popping out by holding the shifter in place with verry little effort. It was not like i would forcefully hold it there. It was like the shifter would pop out from being loose, so even just resting my hand on the shifter (no pressure) would prevent it from comming loose and popping out. There was nothing pushing the shifter out of place, it felt like it would just fall out(best description i can think of ).
Disclaimer: Maybe this isn't the best thing to do though.

There was no other damage to my car, no grinding afterwards either.

It scared me when it first happened because i was using cruise control. RPM's shot right up!
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Old 06-02-2002, 07:36 AM   #7
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There is no TSB for that condition. I'd be cautious about doing too much driving with it, if it is indeed a loose mainshaft nut. You may be able to prevent a gear popout by holding tension on the shifter while in 5th, but when driving in every other gear it's not loaded. If the nut backs off too far, those 5th gear parts try to walk off the shaft, chewing up the extension housing parts in the process. If you catch it before that happens, it can be repaired in the car by just pulling the extension housing. It's a simple fix.
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Old 06-03-2002, 12:48 PM   #8
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WRXSTi69 - unfortunately I'm forced to drive around with it the way it is right now. I don't have to hold it in gear at all, it stays in fine, the only real noticeable problem is the shifter moving back and forth as I get on or off throttle, it hasn't popped out in almost a week but there's still definitely a problem. My car is still under warranty for the powertrain (still has about 18K miles till its up). Its going to the dealer tomorrow for inspection, I figure if they don't/can't find the problem or won't fix it then it'll end up getting worse and when it gets worse and has to go back and is an on-going problem that they'll easily see then they'll end up having to repair more than just a loose nut on the main shaft, no skin off my nose since it'll be covered under warranty. I hate to play the "oh well, wait and see" game but there really isn't much I can do it about it until it causes a reproduceable problem and I can't afford to pay someone to tear down my transmission just to see if something is wrong.
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Old 06-03-2002, 02:13 PM   #9
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There is no TSB addressing this problem. However, there is a mention about it in the Subaru Technical T.I.P.S. (January, 2000) which is sent to all Dealers/Technicians.
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Old 06-05-2002, 08:36 PM   #10
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Just an update for anyone who cares, I took the car into the dealer last night (Lou Fusz for any St. Louis Subie owners who may be reading) and they never said if they actually replicated the problem but regardless the service guy said they took the tranny apart and sure enough, the main shaft nut had backed off the main shaft and 5th gear had shifted. At least I gained a little credibility with him, up until that confirmation from him he seemed to think I was full of BS.

Anyway, he says he's going to be having it at least a week which will suck. I'm probably going to have them replace the clutch while its out since it'll only cost me parts and the service guy said probably about a half hour of labor I'll have to cover out of pocket. Might as well pay 5 times less now than later when its actually worn out.
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