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Old 05-20-2002, 10:40 PM   #1
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Default I just can't take it anymore...

The paint...the farging cheap ass, micron thick, inferior-to-Kia quality PAINT!!!! What do you have to do to keep a daily driven WRX looking somewhat decent????

I wax regularly, wash it the proper way...lot's of wax friendly soap, 100% cotton everything, lots of water, etc and the nose looks like anus. Now I'm in Florida and we have horrible roads and lots of sun, but a bug spatter was on the car this morning. Washed it off TONIGHT and the paint was damaged underneath. I guess I need to have a detail kit on me at all times. If this keeps up, I'm rolling this ****** and taking the insurance so I can buy an EVO.

:monkey: for you, Subaru paint "engineers". I had more durable paint on my Civic Si and the garbage S10 I had before that. This is discouraging stuff....
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Old 05-20-2002, 10:43 PM   #2
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PS I'm little bit obsessive about the paint, but this is the first car I've bought that cost $25k and it's the first one to have this much paint damage in the first 8 months of ownership. It's also the first one I have washed and waxed this obesessively due to warnings I've read here. All for naught...I'm hoping to have a carbon hood by the end of the year, so I'll get over the hood...but if every bug spatter needs to be washed off this damn thing immediately after it happens, this paint is doomed and ultimately, so's this car.
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Old 05-20-2002, 10:46 PM   #3
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I feel your pain man. It will always show up on darker colors. If you had white or silver it would be alot different. Save your pennies and get a real paint job. Take care -KEVIN-
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Old 05-21-2002, 02:06 AM   #4
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I've got a spray bottle of Meguiar's quick detailer and a couple 100% cotton terry cloth towles in my trunk. That stuff works wonders on the damn love bugs. If the bugs sit on there for a couple hours, your clearcoat is trash. The quick detailer ($4.99) is a trick I picked up from my anal retentive BMW owning father. It's a cleaner with a light wax, and if the bugs aren't baked on, the quick detailer takes them off with a little rubbing. But, I do feel your pain, but they are 10x worse around the Gainesville area. Ask the guys that met up in Daytona a couple weeks ago. I was sitting in the Hooters parking lot for a good 20 minutes trying to get 40-50 of those little juicy bastards off.

I will agree about the quailty of the paint though. I just got rid of a 6 year old Saturn with 120k, and I could count the chips on the hood on one hand. Next time you're at mastro, wander over to the used lot and visit my old silver Saturn and take a look at the paint, and mind you, that car was never garaged.

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Old 05-21-2002, 02:56 AM   #5
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Have a Nice Day? meh...

had the car for over 8 months now and the paint is still mint. Drove it through winter with all that stupid salt and no problem. You must follow cars from too close or sumtin', I don't follow, I pass :P
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Old 05-21-2002, 07:54 AM   #6
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Boosted - A decent paint job should come with the $25k car. I am actually considering repaiting the car in a year or so, depending on whether or not some business I'm helping a budd out with <cough>www.pri-racing.com</cough> takes off in the next year or so. We'll see. That being said, it's a shame that Subaru puts so little importance on paint quality. There are some of us who like our cars to look good for more than a few weeks.

Phlash - I'll look into the Meguiar's stuff this weekend. It's really too late though...once you've taken a little damage, who really gives a damn about the rest?

SubyRex - Obviously you've never driven in the Tampa/Clearwater area of Florida. There is nowhere to pass!! There is always some slow jackhole plugging up every lane. I used to follow closely, but after the first week of owning this thing I became a two car length guy.

I remember what it was like to enjoy washing my ride...now I dread every Saturday morning.
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Old 05-21-2002, 08:14 AM   #7
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3m makes this clear stuff that is similar to a mask, but much better; maybe that would help
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Old 05-21-2002, 09:03 AM   #8
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So is the paint quality such that I should reconsider my 2003 WRX purchase? I was thinking of getting the WR Blue... I'd get the silver, but my gf has a silver vehicle now.. so I'd rather have a different color. But seriously, is the paint bad enough to rethink my fall purchase?
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Old 05-21-2002, 09:54 AM   #9
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The rest of the car makes up for the crap paint, but do yourself a favor and get Aspen White. It may seem like an unattractive option, but you literally have one very thin, very fragile layer of paint on top of whitish/grey primer, so any chips are going to be easily spotted on anything but the silver or white paint jobs. I can't imagine what the guys with black see every time they wash their cars!!

My understanding is that this has been a long standing and well documented issue with all Subaru vehicles i've seen mentioned on this board. In all honesty, it seems like the only companies using quality paint processes are Toyota/Lexus, BMW and Mercedes. Too bad none of those companies make cars I want/can afford. I could see using trash paint if the car only cost $12-15k...the WRX runs about almost twice those numbers.
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Old 05-21-2002, 10:01 AM   #10
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In all honesty, it seems like the only companies using quality paint processes are Toyota/Lexus, BMW and Mercedes. Too bad none of those companies make cars I want/can afford. I could see using trash paint if the car only cost $12-15k...the WRX runs about almost twice those numbers.
Toyota doesn't make a car you can afford? Or is it the want part there?

But honestly, I have a black '96 Celica and the paint on the front end is a mess. I think it's more a product of color and all the crap on the roads. I'm just trying to guage if Subaru's paint is really any worse than what I've experience with my black Celica.

As for white, can't do it. Maybe I'll go with silver. But I just can't buy a white car. No offense to anyone with a white vehicle, I just don't like the looks of them and feel they're too plain.

Maybe I just need to deal with my gf and I having the same color of car. I really dig the WR Blue though...
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Old 05-21-2002, 11:18 AM   #11
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Toyota paint sucks just as much as the Subaru paint. My 01 Celica was chipped to bits after 9 months - and I was veryyyyyyy careful not to follow trucks and generally abuse it.

My REX does have a few chips on it however, but I have noticed the hood is worse.....maybe it's because it's aluminium? I got a platinum silver one - and it's pretty easy to repair the little chips I've found.

They do make this stuff in the UK called ArmorFend (I think that's how its spelt) which you spray over the hood and front - and it acts like a clearbra (but it's actually like a rubberised clearcoat)

Might want to look into it

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Old 06-07-2002, 12:15 PM   #12
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Default thin paint

Man I tell you this paint is thin. couple weeks ago I ran over a raccon. the stupid thing got nailed by a car in front of me and I tried to aviod it by driving on the shoulder and the buzard hobbles across the road and i bean the thing. Next day I'm washing my car and the whole front bumper is spider cracked on the right side. StateFarm cut me a check for 190 bucks and the repair is going to cost me about 400?
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Old 06-07-2002, 12:28 PM   #13
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the first one I have washed and waxed this obesessively due to warnings I've read here. All for naught...I'm hoping to have a
Hahaha . . . that's probably why you are getting down to bare metal. Do you know what waxing really does?

Do NOT wax a brand new car. Over time, the paint and the surrounding air mix (chemical reaction) and create a layer of oxidation on top of the paint. What waxing does is to take off the layer of oxidation off your car. Which means it takes off a layer of faded paint, to bring out the shinning paint underneath. If you wax every week, soon you will take off enough paint layers that you get down to the metal.

Cars do not need to be wax'ed very often. Only wax your car when the paint becomes faded (oxidized).

Now I know why people keeps complaining about crappy paints on their Subaru . . . I have my Subaru over 1 and 1/2 years now and the paint is still wonderful. I have yet to wax it.

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Old 06-07-2002, 12:57 PM   #14
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What waxing does is to take off the layer of oxidation off your car. Which means it takes off a layer of faded paint, to bring out the shinning paint underneath.
I think you are confusing polishing and waxing, polish will take off a small bit of paint, wax doesnt take anything off it leaves behind a layer that adds depth to the paint causing the shininess, it also provides a sacrifical layer, for bird ****, uv rays, splattered bugs, and what not. If the wax you are using is one of those crappy cleaner/waxes, then yes it might have the effects of wiping out a small layer of paint, but a good wax, preferably a paste, shouldnt have any harmful effects on paint.
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Old 06-07-2002, 12:58 PM   #15
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you guys must have big bugs in florida...

i drive my wrx pretty hard...but the only chips i got are from pepples hitting it here and there. its no biggie. i haven't really noticed that the wrx paint is that weak.

maybe you should stop tailgating people. hahaha.
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Old 06-07-2002, 01:44 PM   #16
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my car is starting to get that white fading into black look Keeping far enough behind a car is impossible..leave a gap another car will cut in, pull back again another car will take the gap Don't even get me started on the dumptruck convoys around here, it is impossible not to get hit by gravel, or mud chunks coming off the truck itself It is a subaru thing, my family has always had subarus and always had crappy paint. Hell even hitting bugs chips my paint
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Old 06-07-2002, 02:03 PM   #17
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I wax my car every weekend, and trust me, its worth it, (i use simple trutle wax color cure,)

staying far away from cars is a really good way to prevent chips, but i find chips get onto the front part of the hood the most often, so i think a bug deflector would do a great job, paint it to match your cars color, and your all set, and i think it looks good too!, id rather have that thing chiped, then my car hood, plus, it deflects bugs,

i had a bug deflector on my other car, and i never (rarelly) had bugs on my windshield... now... i could start my own museum.

nex thing on my list ... a bug deflector,
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Old 06-07-2002, 03:29 PM   #18
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I'm also in Florida, in the Ft.Lauderdale area; I've had my car 6 months and no damage other than a tiny chip near the scoop from a pebble kicked up. I use Klasse All in One and Sealant glaze, lots of microfiber towels, plus Meguiar's quik Detail Mist....the car looks great...take a look
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Old 06-07-2002, 07:31 PM   #19
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Wax damaging the paint? Not the last time I checked. The paint leaves a lot to be desired, that's for sure, but I don't want to sound like I don't enjoy the car. I like it a lot, just wish the nose, specifically the paint on the hood, wasn't so fragile.

I plan on getting a carbon hood and the paint can be repaired, but this is the most fragile paint I've seen on a car in this price range. I can only imagine what it'll look like in a year. Maybe I'll be selling it to move up to an EVO or STi by then.
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Old 06-07-2002, 07:54 PM   #20
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I agree with them...WAX does NOT damage or remove paint. You are typically not supposed to wax a fresh paint job for about a month...but "new car" for us is certainly more than 30 days old. So by all means, WAX the hell out of your car, good carnuaba wax...leaves a nice protective film on the car which makes it easier to remove those bugs, and can actually provide a marginal buffer for that sand and crud that blow up on your car from that 18-wheeler in front of you... I waxed mine the first day I owned it. You had the right idea tho...so no ball-busting intended. Glaze, polish compound, rubbing compound, and CLEANER WAX, WILL remove clearcoat/paint microns at a time...but we shouldnt have to even begin to consider that stuff for years... Should have a pro do it anyway, cause you can really bugger your ride up if you dont know exactly what you're doing and have experience doing it.

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Old 06-07-2002, 08:57 PM   #21
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yup, the paint's thin and the clear coat even thinner. anyone who says otherwise either doesn't own a subee, or doesn't have to deal with traffic and has no bugs to deal with. i was expecting chips on the most sloped part of the hood, but there are quite a few even smack in the middle. that's a load of crap if you ask me. owned the car for about 4 months and it has more chips than my last car did when i bought it at 60,000 miles. impressed with the paint? nope. impressed with the rest of the car? HELL YEAH!
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Old 06-07-2002, 09:01 PM   #22
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Tempa. would u mind posting a pic. I want to see how bad it is. I mean although Im not near as obsessed as some of you are about the paint job. I hardly noticed whats happening. Its been a year and still looks fine with me.

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Old 06-07-2002, 09:59 PM   #23
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hahaha think it's bad now?? wait til you hit 50k miles and then look at your "almost primer white" hood from rocks chips...
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Old 06-07-2002, 10:07 PM   #24
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nex thing on my list ... a bug deflector,
I don't think a bug-deflector is a good idea on a wrx.
Won't it divert airflow over the hood scoop and away from the intercooler?
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Old 06-07-2002, 11:54 PM   #25
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I don't know what it is, although I don't think that the paint is really TOO bad. Here's my reason why. First of all, I use a good wax so that may have helped my incident. Second, what happened: I was on my way up to Omaha's airport to drop my Aunt off to return to AZ. On the freeway in front of me was a large construction type truck. Low and behold when I'm in the next lane over to the left of him, and being in between him and a wall, here comes this massive dirt clod rolling off of the back of his truck. Keep in mind that we are doing 75MPH, and when that stuff falls off it starts slowing down. So none of this "It was going the same speed as your car" stuff. Well, 1 dirt clod wouldn't have been too tough to avoid. Although it hits the ground and breaks into lots of smaller clods. I think that the smallest was about 1in in diameter. Well it comes into my lane, and I have no choice but to run through these clods that are still bouncing towards me. I nail them, all. Immediately I was pissed, and could only imagine what my car looked like in the front now. Well when I got home, I thouroughly inspected my car for damage during the wash. I didn't even have a chip. So after that incident, I have to say that I don't think that the paint is really all that bad. You just have to take good care of it, yes more than other cars sometimes, although it's not really that bad. As for bird ****, I have a spot on my hood from one, although I have been told by my coworkers, that are just as anal about their cars as I am, that clay bar will take it off. So, I just need to do that and all will be well. Sorry for my rant, although I just had to defend the company that makes the car that I really love.

PS: No flames please?!
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