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Old 04-26-2010, 02:30 PM   #126
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When you get back from Jersey, She will have the miles on her got around 450 on her already, When I go to a store I go to the one 40 miles away not the one next to my house, LOL
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Old 04-26-2010, 03:41 PM   #127
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LMAO. Now that is a way to get it broken in! What are your impressions of the S259 so far?
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Old 04-26-2010, 04:49 PM   #128
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Even on a break in tune the turbo just pulls and pulls, Im runing the big headers untill my Perrin Headers come in so its a little laggy but even with the lag it still is building like 10psi by 3000 rpm. I am impressed with the turbo and we are hoping to hit 450 whp on 91oct with 20-22PSI and 500+ whp with 27-30PSI with a 94 oct with lots of meth tune. We think the turbo can do it. I think the turbo is rated at 62lb or 63lb not sure but if I can get those numbers it will be on par with a GT35
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Old 04-27-2010, 05:24 PM   #129
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i love what i have been hearing about these turbos, my only question is, is there anyone running the S200sx? i am building a v8 207 so i dont want anything to big, this seems just about right, and i wanted to stick with twinscroll, and make 350-400whp and have a usable powerband up to around 8k or so. anyone have any of the 200 turbos on a 2.0? single or twinscroll
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Old 04-27-2010, 06:11 PM   #130
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The original poster (Post #1) is running a S256 (S200sx) single scroll .63 ar turbo. He made 380 on 93 octane with WRX heads and cams. The 04 Sti with 170,000 that made 395awhp on 93 octane was also running a S256 (Post #4).

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Old 04-27-2010, 09:10 PM   #131
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sweet sounds good, with avcs, higher compression, and twinscroll hoping for peak torque by 4k or before
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Old 04-27-2010, 09:47 PM   #132
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On the street I saw full boost before 4k with both of these cars when I was tuning them.
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:02 PM   #133
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When clark switched to the perrin header he saw full boost before 4k also and that was with the bigger S259
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:10 PM   #134
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ok so then i should get pretty good spool with the twinscroll, just hoping i can get an exhuast side that will still get pretty good spool, and be able to hold till 8k or so, i also plan on running the stock twinscroll headers, and either a modified stock up pipe, or a completely new one
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Old 04-27-2010, 10:18 PM   #135
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With my .70ar I should be able to keep my powerband to 8k, I beleive that the sx200 is a 60lb turbo quite a bit bigger than a GT3082R so I dont see why you couldnt run to 8k.
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Old 04-28-2010, 01:46 AM   #136
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what i was reading is that the S200SX is 58lb and comes with 5 diff a/r its like .83,1.0, 1.09, 1.15, and what they call standard, the 1.22 all of which are T4 twinscroll flanges, its a 75/70 turbo, just trying to decide which would be the best exhaust housing on a 2.0, i was thinking something like the 1.09, but no 2.0 have posted everyone is here is either hybrid, or full 2.5
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Old 04-28-2010, 02:10 AM   #137
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Call Fullrace and ask they will give you the best advice on that one they have the most experience, sorry if it doesent make sense Ive had one too many
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haha yea i will give them a call in a few months when the engine is finished
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Old 04-28-2010, 03:34 PM   #139
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Guys, sorry i am so late to this thread, I work very closely with the BorgWarner engineering team and have a lot of knowledge with the turbocharger specifics... but before we go into any tech I need to clear the air on this -

there is a LOT of confusion about Borgwarner VS Bullseye (aka BEP). Borgwarner is a huge company (publically traded) which has 60 factories in 12 countries. They produce the highest quality turbochargers on the planet, and mfg for many OEMs such as Porsche, VW, Audi, Ford, etc.

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what i was reading is that the S200SX is 58lb and comes with 5 diff a/r its like .83,1.0, 1.09, 1.15, and what they call standard, the 1.22 all of which are T4 twinscroll flanges, its a 75/70 turbo, just trying to decide which would be the best exhaust housing on a 2.0, i was thinking something like the 1.09, but no 2.0 have posted everyone is here is either hybrid, or full 2.5
i believe the 1.15 a/r is the best! 1.22 is too big, despite our recomendation from BW engineering (ill have our guys update the site). Here is a positive review of the 1.15 a/r s200sx on a stock evo with full-race twinscroll kit

http://www.lancerregister.com/showth...hreadid=313924

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ok so now i have the question is the s200sx 75/70 1.15a/r turbo a real borgwarner??? and does it have extended tip??? also after a few hours of searching i see they also offer a s200 T3 twinscroll that has a bigger compressor and exhaust wheel, but a smaller exhaust housing, why is this? i have been told to talk to full race, but now you post this stuff and i personaly would just like to see some graphs and flow rates so i can see how they react in the real world, not by numbers on paper of what they should do
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:23 PM   #142
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Yes, it is a real Borg Warner. The S200sx is Airwerks designation for that turbo. It does have extended tip. Bullseye Power takes and uses these same wheels and housings and combines them with some different housings and wheels (also Borg Warner wheels) to offer some new combinations. Some may work better on some applications than others. But they are all Borg Warner parts (sold through their performance division, Airwerks). Bullseye has denoted this turbo as the S256. There are different combinations of housings that they offer for the S256, but the base model is still a S200 series extended tip turbo.

Bullseye just did what some folks did back in the day when the first T3/T4 turbos were conceived. They took a T3 and a T4 turbo and mated the two to make something better suited to a different application.
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is the s200sx 75/70 1.15a/r turbo a real borgwarner??? and does it have extended tip??? also after a few hours of searching i see they also offer a s200 T3 twinscroll that has a bigger compressor and exhaust wheel, but a smaller exhaust housing, why is this?
We only sell 100% genuine BorgWarner. The turbos with "SX" designation are twinscroll T4. The S200SX is a twinscroll T4 S200. The S200 is a twinscroll T3 S200. They are both excellent turbochargers, and serve similar powerbands, albeit slightly differently.

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Dude why do you keep knowingly and blatently lying about Bullseye Power?
I am not lying. What i say might differ from the things youve heard - but I am not lying.
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Old 04-28-2010, 04:53 PM   #144
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I have seen the parts, held them in my hands, seen the Airwerks part numbers. They are not fake in any way.
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Bullseye is well aware of Geofs claims and say it is slander. I personally beleive this is a attempt to corner the market by Fullrace. If this continues Im sure a lawsuit will insue.
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nothing i have posted is false. borgwarner exists all around the world... sorry but i dont think were gonna corner the market. thanks for your concerns
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I am a good guy, and certainly not a liar. i do NOT spread BS.

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