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Old 03-12-2010, 05:09 PM   #1
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Default Redline Time Attack...

Ive seen some talk about this on the forums and think it would be a cool event for a bunch of us to hit up. Its a race except instead of racing other cars you race against the clock. Im going to race my car but even if you dont want to race, you can come just to chill. There will be some sick cars there. If you're interested, lets all hit it up together. Think it will be a cool event for us all to meet. I think the website is redlinetimeattack.com if you want more info.
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:20 PM   #2
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theres 12 events...... wich one are you talking about?
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Old 03-12-2010, 07:53 PM   #3
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Sounds good. We'll see you there (provided you mean one of the east coast events).
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Old 03-13-2010, 03:39 PM   #4
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I'll be at the west coast events making sure a variety of cars stay running. Here's our shop sti that will be racing in enthusiast class:

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Old 03-14-2010, 08:29 PM   #5
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I'm gonna be at Buttonwillow maybe we can caravan together...
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Old 03-15-2010, 02:51 PM   #6
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Yeah Buttonwillow....lets do it. Who else is down?
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Old 03-15-2010, 11:30 PM   #7
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Anyone going to make it out to the Las Vegas event next month? It looks like I'll be hitting up that one as my first event of the season, I wanted to make Buttonwillow, but I don't think I'll be able to get all the parts I need in time. I should be at pretty much all the events following Buttonwillow. I'll also be running the Enthusiast class.
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Old 03-16-2010, 02:55 AM   #8
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Im very interested in going but I'm new to the whole racing scene and was wondering if anybody has any thoughts about where I should start out.
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Old 03-17-2010, 08:47 PM   #9
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Im very interested in going but I'm new to the whole racing scene and was wondering if anybody has any thoughts about where I should start out.
New to the racing scene? Definitely not Redline.

Try doing some HPDE's first.
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Old 03-19-2010, 03:11 PM   #10
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New to the racing scene? Definitely not Redline.

Try doing some HPDE's first.
Really from what I hear I thought they might be a good start for amateurs. You got any other advice?
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Old 03-19-2010, 03:24 PM   #11
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Really from what I hear I thought they might be a good start for amateurs. You got any other advice?
Yes, do HPDE's first. RTA is a surefire disaster with an inexperienced driver, as most the people doing it have plenty of laps under their belts. They may be "amateur" in the sense that they just got a competition license, but they arent spring chickens on the track.
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:17 AM   #12
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New to the racing scene? Definitely not Redline.

Try doing some HPDE's first.
Wrong, wrong and ALL wrong - Redline Time Attack is THE spot for all levels of experience. We (Yes, I said 'We') offer multiple classes for all types of experience levels. If you are not seriously into "racing" ie, Time attack sessions, then you can run Friday, Saturday (or Both!). You will get PLENTY of track time.

Have you even been to one of the Redline Events? This year there will be MANY new things that will be a huge improvement over years past.

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Really from what I hear I thought they might be a good start for amateurs. You got any other advice?
Precisely! This is the best place to start. Buttonwillow is a 3 day event, which means Friday and Saturday are like every other Test & Tune/Track day, with Sunday being the actual Race day. All levels of experience are invited, and all levels can/will compete on Sunday.

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Yes, do HPDE's first. RTA is a surefire disaster with an inexperienced driver, as most the people doing it have plenty of laps under their belts. They may be "amateur" in the sense that they just got a competition license, but they arent spring chickens on the track.
Wrong again. How is being able to get track time during a beginners group "surefire disaster"? There is no passing on the corners, only passing on the straights, WITH a point-by. If you are not a "spring chicken" and have driven on the track, you will likely be running the intermediate group. On friday and Saturday, the groups aren't based on your car, it's based strictly on your experience. Now on Sunday, if you don't feel comfortable "racing" then don't sign up for that day. Come on Friday or Saturday for plenty of track time. Nowhere does it require that you race on Sunday. Like I said, It's a 3 day event. Sign up for ONLY the days you feel comfortable with.

If you are a beginner, I recommend coming on a Friday or Saturday and get a feel for your car, experience some of it's limits etc... You may find quickly that your car will only be able to handle 1 day of track anyway(ie brakes).

I'll see you all out at the track this weekend!
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yeah, but friday and saturday are just lapping days. Putting someone with no experience out during the sunday timed sessions is not a good idea.
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In your entire post I saw no mention of instruction at Redline events, and that is why groups like NASA, SCCA, TrackDaze, etc are the place for beginners. For someone completely new to the sport, burning around on the track without any instruction is going to get them no where fast. And the lure of the time attack on Sunday might put someone too green out on track and cause dangerous situations.

I sure hope that license application I filled out for Redline wasn't for nothin. Any beginner wouldn't have anything to put on there and hopefully would not be allowed to run the time attack on Sunday.
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Old 03-25-2010, 08:14 AM   #15
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A beginner on track with no instructor is a bad idea, period.
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Im going to point out some reasons why you are completely and utterly wrong.
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Ive seen some talk about this on the forums and think it would be a cool event for a bunch of us to hit up. Its a race except instead of racing other cars you race against the clock. Im going to race my car but even if you dont want to race, you can come just to chill. There will be some sick cars there. If you're interested, lets all hit it up together. Think it will be a cool event for us all to meet. I think the website is redlinetimeattack.com if you want more info.
Now, lets examine your post, shall we?
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Wrong, wrong and ALL wrong - Redline Time Attack is THE spot for all levels of experience. We (Yes, I said 'We') offer multiple classes for all types of experience levels. If you are not seriously into "racing" ie, Time attack sessions, then you can run Friday, Saturday (or Both!). You will get PLENTY of track time.
Wrong? Clearly, OP is only interested in racing, not lapping sessions.
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Have you even been to one of the Redline Events? This year there will be MANY new things that will be a huge improvement over years past.
Yes, I have. Thats why I specifically said for OP to do some HPDEs instead.
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Precisely! This is the best place to start. Buttonwillow is a 3 day event, which means Friday and Saturday are like every other Test & Tune/Track day, with Sunday being the actual Race day. All levels of experience are invited, and all levels can/will compete on Sunday.
Yes, because obviously every newb is Ken ****ing Block right out of the gate. Redline, as much as you want to believe, is NOT the best place to start.

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Wrong again. How is being able to get track time during a beginners group "surefire disaster"? There is no passing on the corners, only passing on the straights, WITH a point-by. If you are not a "spring chicken" and have driven on the track, you will likely be running the intermediate group. On friday and Saturday, the groups aren't based on your car, it's based strictly on your experience. Now on Sunday, if you don't feel comfortable "racing" then don't sign up for that day. Come on Friday or Saturday for plenty of track time. Nowhere does it require that you race on Sunday. Like I said, It's a 3 day event. Sign up for ONLY the days you feel comfortable with.
Wrong again? Hardly. Passing in a beginners group, regardless of whatever "no corner passing" and point-by stipulations you put on it is a recipe for disaster. Period.

Also, you clearly did not read the OP's post where he repeatedly mentions "race" or "racing".
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If you are a beginner, I recommend coming on a Friday or Saturday and get a feel for your car, experience some of it's limits etc... You may find quickly that your car will only be able to handle 1 day of track anyway(ie brakes).

I'll see you all out at the track this weekend!
Conversely, if youre a beginner, the better path would be to find your local SCCA or NASA region, do some green HPDE group runs, WITH AN INSTRUCTOR, and get comfortable with the car.
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Im going to point out some reasons why you are completely and utterly wrong.

Now, lets examine your post, shall we?

Wrong? Clearly, OP is only interested in racing, not lapping sessions.


Yes, I have. Thats why I specifically said for OP to do some HPDEs instead.


Yes, because obviously every newb is Ken ****ing Block right out of the gate. Redline, as much as you want to believe, is NOT the best place to start.


Wrong again? Hardly. Passing in a beginners group, regardless of whatever "no corner passing" and point-by stipulations you put on it is a recipe for disaster. Period.

Also, you clearly did not read the OP's post where he repeatedly mentions "race" or "racing".


Conversely, if youre a beginner, the better path would be to find your local SCCA or NASA region, do some green HPDE group runs, WITH AN INSTRUCTOR, and get comfortable with the car.
+1 on that. Sorry, there definitely needs to be an instructor in the car for a drivers first time on the track. Too much adrenaline (red mist), confusion, high speed, and lack of track knowledge is overwhelming.
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Wrong, wrong and ALL wrong - Redline Time Attack is THE spot for all levels of experience. We (Yes, I said 'We') offer multiple classes for all types of experience levels. If you are not seriously into "racing" ie, Time attack sessions, then you can run Friday, Saturday (or Both!). You will get PLENTY of track time.
Not to be an @ss but it sure sounds like you are trying to sell something. As someone with very little track experience, I agree with the others, a track newbie should have an instructor. Without one you are just asking for trouble...
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Not to be an @ss but it sure sounds like you are trying to sell something. As someone with very little track experience, I agree with the others, a track newbie should have an instructor. Without one you are just asking for trouble...
I understand where you're coming from. However, the only thing I am trying to "sell" is a great track experience. I am by no means speaking for the Series, but for of the series. I volunteer to help out at their events(Hence the "we" statement). This is a great way for myself and others network within the racing series. As you and others have stated, there are professional drivers the come to the events, and as such, there are many sponsors looking for new talant. There is a lot of opportunity with racing with Redline.

Last year there were instructors that (if requested) would ride with the new drivers. I don't recall any time that somebody requested an instructor and didn't get one. This year should be similar, but I haven't been filled in on all the details yet.

I'm just trying to let you guys know that there is a good opportunity to learn how to track the car, and this series isn't just for the seasoned drivers.
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I haven't been to any Redline events yet, but this is the first I've ever heard mention of instructors. Who are they? How do they get to instruct? I'm not sure about other organizations, but to be an instructor for NASA you can't just be any joe shmoe.
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Last year there were instructors that (if requested) would ride with the new drivers. I don't recall any time that somebody requested an instructor and didn't get one. This year should be similar, but I haven't been filled in on all the details yet.
Ive bolded the problems with Redline.

Instructors should be a mandatory requirement for novices. Dont like it? Dont drive.
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^alot of west coast hpde's dont have mandatory instruction(ride in instruction).. cant really say if thats a bad or good thing considering we have alot of fast drivers.
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but to be an instructor for NASA you can't just be any joe shmoe.
I beg to differ. I know many instructors. I only know TWO that have the influence you guys are crediting ALL instructors as having. The prerequisites for instructors has only recently tightened up. I always tell my friends to request these two by name. It's hard to know when you get a guy who is just there for the free track time.

You guys are having an immune response to Redline running an HPDE. Totally unfair. Why turn your nose up in the air at clubs other than NASA and SCCA?

Anyway, my personal opinion is that setting expectations properly with good briefings, downloads, and HARSH penalties for infractions works better than the physical presence of an instructor. If you succeed in the first areas, the latter doesn't matter very much.

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^ well said.. i've had some instructors that are just on power trips and really arent that fast.
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On friday and Saturday, the groups aren't based on your car, it's based strictly on your experience. Now on Sunday, if you don't feel comfortable "racing" then don't sign up for that day. Come on Friday or Saturday for plenty of track time. Nowhere does it require that you race on Sunday.
So there is nothing preventing someone from signing up to do one of the race sessions, even if they have never been on track before?

Just making sure I understand.
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