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Old 03-13-2010, 09:55 AM   #1
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Base model gone. Remaining GT-R Premium is now $84,060

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Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) has announced U.S. pricing for the 2011 Nissan GT-R sports car, which is on sale now at about 700 Nissan dealers.


The previously available GT-R base model is eliminated, leaving the GT-R Premium as the only available 2011 model, starting at $84,060.


For that, a buyer gets a 485-horsepower 3.8-liter twin-turbo V6 engine linked to a 6-speed, dual-clutch transmission and all-wheel drive system.


GTR is a relatively high-strung car since the horsepower peaks at 6,400 rpm and the maximum 434 lb-ft of torque appears 3,200 rpm.


The sequential-shifting transaxle features separate wet clutches for the odd (1, 3, 5) and even (2, 4, 6) gears, and pre-selects the next highest and next lowest gear for immediate shifts. It also has a “Hill Start Assist” for launch on uphill inclines.


An electronically-controlled ATTESA E-TS all-wheel-drive system was specifically developed for GT-R. The rear drive-biased system can vary the percentage of torque split from 0:100 to 50:50 depending on speed, lateral acceleration, steering angles, tire slip, road surface and yaw rate.


A “yaw-rate feedback control” measures the differences between the target yaw rate calculated from steering angle and actual yaw rate, as detected by the yaw-rate sensor and G sensor. It then adjusts torque bias in an attempt to help the driver get the turn her or she wants.




Sayonara to the "base" GT-R model.




Only three options and one accessory are available for the 2011 GT-R: Cold Weather Package (no charge); special Super Silver paint ($3,000); Ultra-High Performance Tire Package (no charge); and carpeted GT-R logo floor mats ($280).


Other cosmetic changes include darker wheel center caps, double clear coat on the front and rear fascias and the addition of rear cooling ducts to improve cooling performance around the rear floor area.


Nissan says that the suspension is retuned, and the rear bushing strengthened to “enhance ride comfort.” Automatic on/off headlights and speed-sensitive windshield wipers are now standard, along with an USB iPod interface, Streaming Audio via Bluetooth and DVD playback. The navigation system now includes XM NavTraffic and NavWeather capacity.


The 2011 GT-R is available only through officially certified Nissan retailers that meet a number of sales, service and facility commitments, including dedicating a master technician to GT-R service. A complete listing of the nearly 700 GT-R Certified Nissan dealers is available to consumers on NissanUSA.com.
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:45 AM   #2
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If you want one, and you can afford it, you won't care.
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...why????
Same reason we don't get other good cars. Regulations and requiring the manufacturer to pay out the nose to import.

I think we're going to see a lot of cars disappear from this country when the rest of the world joins the proposed standards.
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Same reason we don't get other good cars. Regulations and requiring the manufacturer to pay out the nose to import.

I think we're going to see a lot of cars disappear from this country when the rest of the world joins the proposed standards.
Or they will do like VW has already started... building cars IN North America FOR North America... which still leaves us without the cool EDM/JDM cars.
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Old 03-13-2010, 10:44 PM   #6
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Or they will do like VW has already started... building cars IN North America FOR North America... which still leaves us without the cool EDM/JDM cars.
Just a bunch of pigs like the USDM Accord, Venza and Altima.
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Old 03-13-2010, 11:03 PM   #7
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...why????
Getting rid of the base model is just a hidden price increase. Chances are the original price ($69k) was just intended to grab headlines.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:19 AM   #8
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Getting rid of the base model is just a hidden price increase. Chances are the original price ($69k) was just intended to grab headlines.
excellent point
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:20 PM   #9
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Same reason we don't get other good cars. Regulations and requiring the manufacturer to pay out the nose to import.

I think we're going to see a lot of cars disappear from this country when the rest of the world joins the proposed standards.
They're still selling the car here, you're saying high import fees are why they stopped selling a base model? Which fees are you talking about that are out of line with other countries?

The US is also a member of the World Forum for automotive standards, which standards are you talking about that will prevent cars from coming here?
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The possible upcoming international car standards that would push(or keep) more cars out of the US. It wouldn't make much sense for them to keep or bring in new models that aren't big sellers(enthusiast cars)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1946651

The lineup trimming, having all the models would bring down their fleet average on fuel consumption and they'd be charged for every model in the lineup for testing.
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This has nothing to do with regulations. Eliminating a trim level doesn't affect the fleet average and once a model is approved, all the necessary testing is paid for anyway.

This is just Nissan trying to get more money out of each GT-R.
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The possible upcoming international car standards that would push(or keep) more cars out of the US. It wouldn't make much sense for them to keep or bring in new models that aren't big sellers(enthusiast cars)
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1946651

The lineup trimming, having all the models would bring down their fleet average on fuel consumption and they'd be charged for every model in the lineup for testing.
Those "standards" are in their infancy, far from being something that will be adopted to the point where the US will be a place where car manufacturers decide not to sell their wares.

The GTR is killing Nissan's CAFE goal to the point where they are trying to reduce sales? How many do think they are selling here? What testing do you think they are "getting charged for"? Are you implying different trim levels of the same car have to go through NHTSA testing?
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So if that's all it's about why wouldn't they just axe the line all together, in every country. Just keep the one model for every market?
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i just dont get why the US market doesnt get the same design as other markets

case in point: Ford Focus
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i just dont get why the US market doesnt get the same design as other markets

case in point: Ford Focus
Well...we're about to get that.
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we're going to get a variation based on the same platform and body design as the rest of the world. only 80% shared, which sounds like a lot but I'm willing to bet money that it will be watered down and soft.
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i just dont get why the US market doesnt get the same design as other markets

case in point: Ford Focus
Which will be rectified in 2011.
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we're going to get a variation based on the same platform and body design as the rest of the world. only 80% shared, which sounds like a lot but I'm willing to bet money that it will be watered down and soft.
You keep saying this, and you keep being wrong. The only changes are minor (virtually unnoticeable) cosmetic bumper changes dealing with differences in pedestrian safety and 5mph impact differences. 80% is the MINIMUM, not the exact number. That's what they're classifying their new line of "world cars."

Suspensions will be the same, drivetrains are the same (with Europe getting 1.6s and diesels), and interiors are the same.
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So if that's all it's about why wouldn't they just axe the line all together, in every country. Just keep the one model for every market?
Huh? Do you understand how business works?
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The only changes are minor (virtually unnoticeable) cosmetic bumper changes dealing with differences in pedestrian safety and 5mph impact differences.
We shouldn't even have that anymore since Canada dropped the 5mph impact bumper regulation for the 2.5 mph regulation last year.
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Huh? Do you understand how business works?
Very much, yes. Apparently everyone else here thinks they are just dropping models here because they don't like us.

Tell me the incentive for them to drop the lineup here and not everywhere else if it's not because they're being charged more to keep the product here. If it were about charging more for the car, they would trim the entire lineup down to one model everywhere.
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You keep saying this, and you keep being wrong. The only changes are minor (virtually unnoticeable) cosmetic bumper changes dealing with differences in pedestrian safety and 5mph impact differences. 80% is the MINIMUM, not the exact number. That's what they're classifying their new line of "world cars."

Suspensions will be the same, drivetrains are the same (with Europe getting 1.6s and diesels), and interiors are the same.
Where's the info on this? I'll believe it when I see it. I hope I am wrong but based on other world cars(even those related to FoMoCo) I have more reason to believe I'll be right.
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Or they will do like VW has already started... building cars IN North America FOR North America... which still leaves us without the cool EDM/JDM cars.
Honda's been doing that for about 30 years now. Toyota and Nissan almost as long.
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Tell me the incentive for them to drop the lineup here and not everywhere else if it's not because they're being charged more to keep the product here. If it were about charging more for the car, they would trim the entire lineup down to one model everywhere.
Simple. Because there are more than enough buyers in the US that can afford the Premium GT-R, even in today's economy, why offer a base model? Why not make an extra $10K or so on every one sold?

The GT-R might as well be a different brand from Nissan as most cars they sell probably fall in the $20K-$30K price range. Dropping models from Altima's, Sentra's, Maxima's would make absolutely zero sense, however dropping the 'base' model from your high end sports car makes plenty of sense when they know they can sell all inventory regardless of price.
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Very much, yes. Apparently everyone else here thinks they are just dropping models here because they don't like us.

Tell me the incentive for them to drop the lineup here and not everywhere else if it's not because they're being charged more to keep the product here. If it were about charging more for the car, they would trim the entire lineup down to one model everywhere.
You can't seem to keep your story straight, earlier you blamed it on the fact that the GTR was dragging down Nissan's CAFE. If they can sell it for more by removing the base model, why wouldn't they do it? This is a niche car, they're not trying to sell 10k per year.
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My guess is that the take rate for the base model was very low.
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You can't seem to keep your story straight, earlier you blamed it on the fact that the GTR was dragging down Nissan's CAFE.
I never blamed it on one thing, there could be multiple factors. It's fun to twist things around though.

It still makes no sense to cut the models from the lineup ONLY in the US if there were no penalties for keep it as an option. It would make sense to do that in smaller markets, but not one as large as here.

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Simple. Because there are more than enough buyers in the US that can afford the Premium GT-R, even in today's economy, why offer a base model? Why not make an extra $10K or so on every one sold?
That logic can be used anywhere else in the world as well, but it's not what's happening.

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