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Old 03-14-2010, 09:20 AM   #1
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By ELLIOT SPAGAT and KEN THOMAS, Associated Press Writers Elliot Spagat And Ken Thomas, Associated Press Writers 1 hr 34 mins ago
SAN DIEGO A memo drafted for a congressional panel says that investigators with Toyota Motor Corp. and the federal government were unable to make a Prius speed out of control as its owner said it did on a California freeway, casting doubt on the driver's story.

The draft memo, obtained Saturday by The Associated Press, said the experts who examined and test drove the car could not replicate the problems James Sikes said he encountered.

Sikes, 61, called 911 on Monday to report losing control of his Prius as the hybrid reached speeds of 94 mph. A California Highway Patrol officer helped Sikes bring the vehicle to a safe stop on Interstate 8 near San Diego.

During two hours of test drives of Sikes' car Thursday, technicians with Toyota and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration failed to duplicate the same experience that Sikes described, according to the memo prepared for the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"Every time the technician placed the gas pedal to the floor and the brake pedal to the floor the engine shut off and the car immediately started to slow down," the memo said.

The report says that, according to Toyota's "residential Hybrid expert," the Prius is designed to shut down if the brakes are applied while the gas pedal is pressed to the floor. If it doesn't, the engine would "completely seize."

The memo continued that in this case "it does not appear to be feasibly possible, both electronically and mechanically that his gas pedal was stuck to the floor and he was slamming on the brake at the same time."

The findings raise questions about "the credibility of Mr. Sikes' reporting of events," said Kurt Bardella, a spokesman for California Rep. Darrell Issa, the top Republican on the committee, which is looking into the incident.

Sikes could not be reached to comment. However, his wife, Patty Sikes, said he stands by his story.

"Everyone can just leave us alone," she said. "Jim didn't get hurt. There's no intent at all to sue Toyota. If any good can come out of this, maybe they can find out what happened so other people don't get killed."

Mrs. Sikes said the couple's lives have been turned upside down since Monday and they are getting death threats.

"We're just fed up with all of it," she said. "Our careers are ruined and life is just not good anymore."

Monday's incident appeared to be another blow to Toyota, which has had to fend off intense public backlash over safety after recalls of some 8.5 million vehicles worldwide more than 6 million in the United States because of acceleration and floor mat problems in multiple models and braking issues in the Prius. Regulators have linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by accelerator problems.

The brakes on the Prius also did not show wear consistent with having been applied at full force at high speeds for a long period, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday, citing three people familiar with the probe, whom it did not name. The newspaper said the brakes may have been applied intermittently.

Toyota Corp. spokesman Mike Michels declined to confirm the Journal's report. He said the investigation was continuing and the company planned to release technical findings soon.

Michels said the hybrid braking system in the Prius would make the engine lose power if the brakes and accelerator were pressed at the same time.

The memo did say that investigators found the front brake pads were spent.

"Visually checking the brake pads and rotor it was clearly visible that there was nothing left," it said.

The rear brake pads had 1/2 mm left, or 3 1/2 mm less than new pads, the memo said.

Jill Zuckman, spokeswoman for the U.S. Transportation Department that oversees the highway safety agency, said investigators "are still reviewing data and have not reached any conclusions."

Sikes called 911 from the freeway on Monday and reported that his gas pedal was stuck and he could not slow down. In two calls that spanned 23 minutes, a dispatcher repeatedly told him to throw the car into neutral and turn it off.

Sikes later said he had put down the phone to keep both hands on the wheel and was afraid the car would flip if he put it in neutral at such high speed.

The officer who eventually pulled alongside the car and told Sikes over a loudspeaker to push the brake pedal to the floor and apply the emergency brake said Sikes braking coincided with a steep incline on the freeway.

Once the car slowed to 50 mph, Sikes shut off the engine, the officer said.

The memo describes a series of tests conducted by the company and NHTSA on Wednesday and Thursday. A full diagnostics was conducted, followed an inspection of the brakes and a test drive. The Prius was compared with a separate test vehicle provided by the San Diego dealership with identical year, make, model and color features as the one under investigation.

Following the tests, NHTSA bought the gas pedal, throttle body and the two computers from Sikes' vehicle, the memo said. The estimated cost was $2,500 for the parts and labor.

Drivers of two other Toyota vehicles that crashed last week said those incidents also resulted from the vehicles accelerating suddenly.

NHTSA is sending experts to a New York City suburb where the driver of a 2005 Prius said she crashed into a stone wall Monday after the car accelerated on its own.

And in Fort Wayne, Indiana, the driver of a 2007 Lexus said it careened through a parking lot and crashed into a light pole Thursday after its accelerator suddenly dropped to the floor. That car was the subject of a floor mat recall. Driver Myrna Cook of Paulding, Ohio, said it had been repaired.

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Thomas reported from Washington, D.C.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100314/..._runaway_prius

These people need to be punished for slander... last I checked stupidity was still legal.
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:00 AM   #2
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Sikes later said he had put down the phone to keep both hands on the wheel and was afraid the car would flip if he put it in neutral at such high speed.
...huh?
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Old 03-14-2010, 11:06 AM   #3
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this story is fake. the guy is a moron. i saw on the news hes in debt 700,000 dollars, part of that to subaru. fake lawsuits anyone?
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Old 03-14-2010, 12:12 PM   #4
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I'm glad they are investigating this. The guy clearly staged the whole thing. Now he wont even answer the phone and has his wife make excuses. There's no intent to sue because he's been called out on the BS story.
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Old 03-14-2010, 12:28 PM   #5
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The rear brake pads had 1/2 mm left, or 3 1/2 mm less than new pads, the memo said.
Wow, Toyota must be cheap if there new brake pads are less than 1/4 inch thick.
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Old 03-14-2010, 02:08 PM   #6
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Wow, Toyota must be cheap if there new brake pads are less than 1/4 inch thick.
Are you the engineer who designed the brake pad? Maybe the pad compound is designed to wear less, so that a thinner (and thus lighter) pad has the same life as other designs that are thicker.
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Old 03-14-2010, 02:57 PM   #7
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That is a whole lot of debt. Better to drive down the road with brakes pressed then some other choices recently made I guess though.
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Old 03-14-2010, 03:30 PM   #8
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Are you the engineer who designed the brake pad? Maybe the pad compound is designed to wear less, so that a thinner (and thus lighter) pad has the same life as other designs that are thicker.
Wrong. I'm absolutely positive that BMWs have better brakes than toyotas and a new BMW pad has 12mm of wear material. Most likely they meant something other than mm.
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Old 03-14-2010, 05:27 PM   #9
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This guy is a chump, he's just looking to aquire some more money for his retirement fund. He owns an adult swingers website , has declared bankruptcy, is $700,000 in debt, and his former business partner has said that this guy is a scam artist no doubt.

Besides, Priuses (or Priuii?) weren't supposed to have the accelerator problem, they had a separate problem that had to do with the brakes.
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Wrong. I'm absolutely positive that BMWs have better brakes than toyotas and a new BMW pad has 12mm of wear material. Most likely they meant something other than mm.
Probably has something to do with the regenerative braking system. I'd imagine the pads aren't used as heavily. It's cost saving, but not that bad. I'd imagine if the prius had 12mm of pad surface, they'd deteriorate before they had to be changed.
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Old 03-14-2010, 08:08 PM   #11
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Probably has something to do with the regenerative braking system. I'd imagine the pads aren't used as heavily. It's cost saving, but not that bad. I'd imagine if the prius had 12mm of pad surface, they'd deteriorate before they had to be changed.
I've read that 100k miles plus is common on a Prius brake job.
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I've read that 100k miles plus is common on a Prius brake job.
When I sold Toyotas we regularly saw them come in on trade with orig brakes over 50kmi that looked almost new.
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They were talking about rear brakes, which are drums on that generation. Drum shoes usually have pretty thin linings.
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So funny.
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This is actually good for Toyota. Now the word "hoax" is associated with this problem. Consciously or unconsciously people will question the validity of the other claims. It happened with Pepsi in the early 90s.
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When I sold Toyotas we regularly saw them come in on trade with orig brakes over 50kmi that looked almost new.
Lexus recently told my mom that she could go another 60k miles on the brakes in her RX400h. Something that alot of hybrid buyers don't take into account, but it is def. a financial benefit in addition to the fuel savings.
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