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Old 10-04-2010, 10:01 PM   #76
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This car still sucks. Continue on.
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Old 10-04-2010, 11:02 PM   #77
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Should have utilized the 2.0L from the Si and made this a true sporty hybrid. Who knows, it may have been almost as efficient too as Honda's really small engines really are not...though I guess it would cost more then.

But look at this.
Civic: 1.8L 26/34.
Fit: 1.5L 27/22.

So Honda probably would have been better off at least using the 1.8L from the Civic. The CRZ would have likely been just as efficient (or close to it) and had 20ish more horses. D'oh.
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:17 AM   #78
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Its all about the Hybrid badge. Who cares if it is actually more economical than most cars.
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:59 AM   #79
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I test drove a CR-Z. I liked driving it but the blind spots are the worst I've ever seen in any vehicle. Only semi's have blind spots that bad.
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:11 AM   #80
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I haven't been to a dealer yet, but I hear some dealers are marking this thing up $10,000 over MSRP for the first round

Methinks this will flop, just like the current Insight. Honda may have loyal buyers, but that doesn't allow them to be TOO conservative.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:17 AM   #81
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I've saw a few on the road this weekend, they don't look bad - the wheels suck. It's too bad they just didn't throw the Si engine into these little runabouts.
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:48 AM   #82
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The CRX from the greater part of 20 years ago is a better car in every category beyond maybe safety, green trend ego stoking and toddler toy light shows. There is no clear MPG, Performance, Maintenance, Production, Logistic or Environmental advantage over its ancestor. It is utterly mediocre. The latest Prius is a sportier platform without looking or trying to be.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/hon...t-very-sporty/
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:41 AM   #83
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Give Honda ten years and they'll end up as a division of Ford.

I can't believe how stupid they've been with an Accord V6 that gets the mileage of a superior Mustang 5.0 GT and a CR-Z that nobody wants.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:13 PM   #84
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Give Honda ten years and they'll end up as a division of Ford.

I can't believe how stupid they've been with an Accord V6 that gets the mileage of a superior Mustang 5.0 GT and a CR-Z that nobody wants.
Honda is where Ford was 2 years ago. Bold new CEO has just started, but new products haven't been approved or moved through the pipeline yet.

If they're still in the same place in 2 years, then they will be truly lost.
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Old 10-05-2010, 02:03 PM   #85
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The CRX from the greater part of 20 years ago is a better car in every category beyond maybe safety, green trend ego stoking and toddler toy light shows. There is no clear MPG, Performance, Maintenance, Production, Logistic or Environmental advantage over its ancestor. It is utterly mediocre. The latest Prius is a sportier platform without looking or trying to be.

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In the guise of Safety (aka: Lawyers), all else has to fall behind.

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Old 10-05-2010, 02:34 PM   #86
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:08 PM   #87
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I'm with most of you guys, if you were shopping for a car in this segment and liked Honda's, why not look at the fit. Cheaper, more room, looks better(IMHO), and handles great, I should know my girlfriend has one and I like it a lot.

Just dont get the point of this car, sorry Honda.
or a Golf TDI
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:50 PM   #88
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I test drove a CR-Z. I liked driving it but the blind spots are the worst I've ever seen in any vehicle. Only semi's have blind spots that bad.
Honda used to be renowned for their vehicles' outward visibility thanks to low cowls, thin pillars, and non-swoopy, low beltlines. Now they put out cars like the CR-Z and the new-gen Insight with horrible visibility... how times have changed.
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a lot of that has to do with the dumb ass pedestrian safety standards. I was just not aware we had an epidemic of cars running over people
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a lot of that has to do with the dumb ass pedestrian safety standards. I was just not aware we had an epidemic of cars running over people
It's not an epidemic. We just have to make sure we take absolutely every precaution possible to prevent every single potential instance of a negative event happening and reduce the negative effects of such consequences as well. If not, I'll sue you and the government from not regulating more!
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Old 10-05-2010, 10:55 PM   #91
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a lot of that has to do with the dumb ass pedestrian safety standards. I was just not aware we had an epidemic of cars running over people
I don't buy this explanation. The pedestrian safety standards have led to higher fronts of cars--see the little whale hump nose thing on the current Corolla and Prius, for instance--but have little to do with the other things: cowl height, beltlines, pillar width. Case in point: my Fit has thin pillars, a low cowl, huge windows, and great visibility. Why was the Insight not designed the same way? Idiot designers, that's why.
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Old 10-05-2010, 11:18 PM   #92
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a lot of that has to do with the dumb ass pedestrian safety standards. I was just not aware we had an epidemic of cars running over people
I bet if they removed all safety regulations, Honda would still make butt-ugly cars that nobody wants.
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Old 10-06-2010, 10:55 AM   #93
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You are probably right Eye...
Shik...I figure that once you raise the front end that high, the rest of the cars, belt line, has to follow so it looks cohesive. Since most cars profile hint at forward motion, the high flat front ends tend to lead the rest of the cars design. Since the roof height is basically fixed, if you raise the front and belt line, the visibility gets ruined due to smaller greenhouses...

just a theory anyway.
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The CR-Z Hybrid R Concept was pretty hideous, I must say:



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