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Old 03-16-2010, 09:57 PM   #1
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Default Tuner said he recommends I get a air fuel gauge, let me know what you think

ya so the tuner is in sioux falls and im in sioux city, I called him up told him the situation and he says he recommends I get a air fuel ratio gauge, but I only got 500$ to kill and he is charging me 400$ if nothing goes wrong, but if something goes wrong it will be reguler price which I dont know what it is. my setup is 2002 wrx, vf39, uppipe, downpipe, sti exhuast, CAI, ACT Clutch and flywheel kit, sti bule injectors( can someone tell me the CC?) Do you guys think I need the air fuel gauge I dont really have money to do it. Another thing I cant get the car towed anywhere since im low on cash, would it be ok to drive the car if I drive below 2500? Car is almost done and engine will start being put in wednesday march 17, should be done saturday, can I drive the car as long as I stay out of boost? Would I be able to go on the interstate and drive a hour away to get it tuned? Is it ok if I stay out of boost?
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:01 PM   #2
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a/f gauge need: well, my evo is running uber lean right now, and I probably would have blew it up if I didn't have an A/F gauge to tell.

Its a risk assessment. you've modded the car, things go wrong on modded cars. do you want to know about it or not? with no gauge you wont know about it.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:04 PM   #3
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a/f gauge need: well, my evo is running uber lean right now, and I probably would have blew it up if I didn't have an A/F gauge to tell.

Its a risk assessment. you've modded the car, things go wrong on modded cars. do you want to know about it or not? with no gauge you wont know about it.
Which brand should I go with? I dont like cheap things, if its cheap it has to look nice atleast haha, what do I need to buy with it? Would it be ok if I waited a month or two to buy one?
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:05 PM   #4
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as long as the tuner has a dyno wideband then you shouldn't need one during the tune but I'd definitely recommend getting one as soon as you can afford to after the tune.

also as far as driving to the tuner tell your tuner to send you a gimp map which is basically a map designed to make the car run well enough to make it to the tuner.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:06 PM   #5
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the innovate is a great wideband, and it is fairly cheap. You can get them new off of ebay with the sensor, wiring, and a red or blue gauge for about 180 shipped. I would definitely recommend listening to your tuner. If he thinks you need a wideband, then i would go with that.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:07 PM   #6
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^agree with everything he said

Autometer gauges are pretty standard issue.
AEM is a decent wideband.

I dont really have any experience with anything else other than innovate.

For my car I run 2. I have an AEM wideband for driving and an Innovate LM2 for tuning.
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Old 03-16-2010, 10:35 PM   #7
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Like mentioned above, the tuner should be able to send you a get-me-by map to get the car to him.

A wideband is an excellent idea...even on a stock car. Unfortunately, I can not reccomend the Innovative lc-1.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:03 AM   #8
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ok haha the issue is I dont have any cables or anything, its going to be a open source tune.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:24 AM   #9
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what do you need cables for with the wideband. you are just going to be using it to monitor your af ratio, unless you plan on tuning it yourself. Your tuner should have everything he needs to tune, but if you have a wideband, it will help you monitor the health of your engine. Think of it like this...you feel sick, you think you might have a fever, but you don't have any thermometer to know for sure. You are going to go and ask someone else to feel your head, or you are going to go to a doctor so he can take your temperature. Now, you go out and buy a thermometer of your own, and now you can personally monitor your own temperature so you know exactly what is going on with your body. Its the same thing with your af ratio gauge. It just lets you know exactly what is going on with your engine at any given time. When it comes to af ratio and knock, the sooner you catch the problem, the more likely your motor is to survive it.
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:37 AM   #10
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what do you need cables for with the wideband. you are just going to be using it to monitor your af ratio, unless you plan on tuning it yourself. Your tuner should have everything he needs to tune, but if you have a wideband, it will help you monitor the health of your engine. Think of it like this...you feel sick, you think you might have a fever, but you don't have any thermometer to know for sure. You are going to go and ask someone else to feel your head, or you are going to go to a doctor so he can take your temperature. Now, you go out and buy a thermometer of your own, and now you can personally monitor your own temperature so you know exactly what is going on with your body. Its the same thing with your af ratio gauge. It just lets you know exactly what is going on with your engine at any given time. When it comes to af ratio and knock, the sooner you catch the problem, the more likely your motor is to survive it.
cables for a a get there tune, like him sending me a temp tune. even if he sent one I wouldnt be able to get it on there haha

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Old 03-17-2010, 12:38 AM   #11
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ic...i would just post up a thread in your local forum that you need to borrow one. Usually you can find someone pretty easy...
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Old 03-17-2010, 12:41 AM   #12
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My tuner uses a Innovative...
Standard A/F gauges do **** all, make sure you get a wideband. Its a pretty important tool.
You can get the big sensor to mount to your tailpipe but for better readings you should use the sensor that threads into your downpipe... if your downpipe doesn't have a bung (unsure of thread pitch sorry ) then you'd need to get one welded on.
The innovative kit should come with cables for the PC hookup.

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Old 03-17-2010, 12:58 AM   #13
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ic...i would just post up a thread in your local forum that you need to borrow one. Usually you can find someone pretty easy...
I live in a not so big town there is only one person that has a accessport for sale but I dont need a accessport cause I dont plan on switching back to stock for a long time.
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Old 03-17-2010, 01:05 AM   #14
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Im sorry I have to say this, but you went ahead and put on all the parts and then decide to worry about a tune? Tunes are very very important for these cars. An A/F ratio gauge is an excellent mod to get. I run the AEM wideband and have only good things to say about it. That being said, it should not be needed when getting dyno tuned as your tuner should most certainly have a wideband on the dyno. It would however be a great next purchase after the tune so you can have an idea of what your car is doing fuel wise. Since the car has bigger injectors it isnt the smartest idea to drive it there (it may or may not even hold idle). I would reccomend throwing in the stock injectors, drive it there staying out of boost obviously and put the sti injectors (565cc btw) in at the shop. Just my .02
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Im sorry I have to say this, but you went ahead and put on all the parts and then decide to worry about a tune? Tunes are very very important for these cars. An A/F ratio gauge is an excellent mod to get. I run the AEM wideband and have only good things to say about it. That being said, it should not be needed when getting dyno tuned as your tuner should most certainly have a wideband on the dyno. It would however be a great next purchase after the tune so you can have an idea of what your car is doing fuel wise. Since the car has bigger injectors it isnt the smartest idea to drive it there (it may or may not even hold idle). I would reccomend throwing in the stock injectors, drive it there staying out of boost obviously and put the sti injectors (565cc btw) in at the shop. Just my .02
first of all haha the car came with all of this stuff! so yea I dont have stock anything lol I pretty much rebuilt the motor and im throwing it back in.
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I live in a not so big town there is only one person that has a accessport for sale but I dont need a accessport cause I dont plan on switching back to stock for a long time.
i am not talking about an accessport. I was refering to a tatrix cable...

...based on your knowledge of everything so far, i am going to recommend you talk to your tuner and follow his advice to a T. I don't say this to be mean, I say it purely out of worry for your car's safety.
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...based on your knowledge of everything so far, i am going to recommend you talk to your tuner and follow his advice to a T. I don't say this to be mean, I say it purely out of worry for your car's safety.
Im going to have to agree with this. Especially since you bought it with a blown motor...
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i am not talking about an accessport. I was refering to a tatrix cable...

...based on your knowledge of everything so far, i am going to recommend you talk to your tuner and follow his advice to a T. I don't say this to be mean, I say it purely out of worry for your car's safety.
Ive only been recently getting into the tatrix cable and stuff cause my previous audi didnt need so many things haha I just had throw something on and it would work, but this subie is complex, I know how to do engine and what not, like putting it together and stuff but this is out of my league. thats why im here to ask question cause im worried about my car I only owned it for 1 month havnt even drove it cause I had to put the engine together, it will be dont this saturday thats why im starting to ask all this.
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i know, and that is exactly why i am telling you to follow your tuner's advice. Nasioc can be an outstanding tool for knowledge, but when it comes to your tuner's personal comfort level and preferences, there isn't anything that anyone on here can really say about it. If he is recommending you get a wideband, I would probably get one. You need to find out from him what way he prefers to do long distance limp maps. Some tuners will meet you where you are at, some tuners will do tatrix maps, some tuners will do accessport maps, some tuners just recommend driving in closed loop fueling, etc...you get the idea. Every tuner will tell you their personal preference, and you should listen to that. Just give your tuner a call, and ask him any and every question you have. Do not stop looking for answers for things on here, but just take the advice on here with a grain of salt when being compared to your tuner's advice.
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Ive only been recently getting into the tatrix cable and stuff cause my previous audi didnt need so many things haha I just had throw something on and it would work, but this subie is complex.
While I agree subies are complex, aren't German cars worse?
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i know, and that is exactly why i am telling you to follow your tuner's advice. Nasioc can be an outstanding tool for knowledge, but when it comes to your tuner's personal comfort level and preferences, there isn't anything that anyone on here can really say about it. If he is recommending you get a wideband, I would probably get one. You need to find out from him what way he prefers to do long distance limp maps. Some tuners will meet you where you are at, some tuners will do tatrix maps, some tuners will do accessport maps, some tuners just recommend driving in closed loop fueling, etc...you get the idea. Every tuner will tell you their personal preference, and you should listen to that. Just give your tuner a call, and ask him any and every question you have. Do not stop looking for answers for things on here, but just take the advice on here with a grain of salt when being compared to your tuner's advice.
Thanks. the thing is next wednesday he is leaving to california for training and wont be back til april 1st so I have to find a new tuner. I think I may of found one in omaha
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THAT is something this site is fantastic for...finding tuners .
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THAT is something this site is fantastic for...finding tuners .
well I cant tow the car since im broke and only got 500$ in total left for the car so tune and 100 in extra broken parts if any pop up. or that air meter.
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i would wait and save some money...it sucks, but you have made it one month, so what is one more.
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i would wait and save some money...it sucks, but you have made it one month, so what is one more.
a month driving my moms jag =/ and my dads honda pilot...(sign.. Vtec)
I miss having my own car =/ I dont want to wait a month more I may be able to tow it to omaha for 100$ which is 130 miles
they hate lending me cars... Ive worked hard on my own to get all this money, my first car loan, and I even asked for 700 more. 100 to pay off the mechanic and 500 for tune.
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