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Old 03-20-2010, 08:40 PM   #1
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I would like to know what your favorite camera is to use for track days. Which do you find gives the best audio and video? For example I've seen GoPro cameras but the audio just isnt there. I just recently saw an ad for a GoPro HD for $300 i beleive. Also, what kind of mounting equipment do you utilize? If you remember the price, that would also be very helpful!
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:48 PM   #2
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I've heard similiar things regarding sound on the standard GoPro's. I've used larger handy cams such as the HD Canon CMOS and have had trouble getting the quality and stabiliy offered by the GoPro. I shot this footage using a GoPro HD last weekend:

The GoPro I use is mounted to an I/O port racing camera mount, which is mounted to my rollcage. The cost of the GoPro HD is $299.00 USD.
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:17 PM   #3
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thats pretty nice. does it come with software to edit if need be, like you did?
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:34 PM   #4
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thats pretty nice. does it come with software to edit if need be, like you did?
Unfortunately, no. Also, HD footage requires a reasonably new/powerful computer to process the high quality images. The video I posted was edited using iMovie 08' on a MacBook Pro which is a couple years old. I find that recording in 720p is high enough quality, and that utilizing the full 1080p resolution setting on the GoPro is too difficult for my computer to edit, not to mention the quality is lost when the file is compressed for the web.

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Old 03-21-2010, 08:14 PM   #5
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AIM Smartycam works great and provides a lot of useful data.
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I am using a Jazz HDV-178 hybrid camcorder to record my runs. It is mounted using a DIY suction mount The video quality is not as good as my Aiptek Action HD, and it doesn't have a wide enough field of view like the GoPro HD though.



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Old 03-22-2010, 04:29 PM   #7
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AIM Smartycam works great and provides a lot of useful data.

any videos? seems like the GoPro HD would be a reasonable choice. my main video angle would be right between the driver/passenger seat to try and capture the track and steering

minifreak, howd you get the inset video of you steering? one thing im throwing around and just thinking about would be a foot cam. its kinda neat, or to also have the steering view like you had. its nothing i HAVE to have but i suppose it would be helpful to see all aspects. i figure it would also mean 3 cameras, which would be uneccesarily ridicoulus
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I've got a Canon FS100. Quality is good, sound seems pretty good too. I get a lot of wind noise though, so I'm going to try running an extended mic lower in the car to see if I can get away from the wind.

The editing software that comes with it is pretty crappy. The software doesn't even recognize the .mod format that the camera records in. I have to convert to mpeg first before I can edit.

If you're one to just take video for yourself I'd say the FS100 is a top pick, but I like editing my videos down and posting them online. I'm working on selling the Canon and getting a GoPro HD.

Here's some of my footage (the three outside clips at the end were off a different camera):

edit: oh yeah, and this is mounted with an I/O Port camera mount on my Autopower 4pt.
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The go pro HD is very nice but I have a feeling they'll come out with the go pro wide HD in a while so I'm keeping my old go pro til then
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Old 03-23-2010, 03:26 AM   #10
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minifreak, howd you get the inset video of you steering? one thing im throwing around and just thinking about would be a foot cam. its kinda neat, or to also have the steering view like you had. its nothing i HAVE to have but i suppose it would be helpful to see all aspects. i figure it would also mean 3 cameras, which would be uneccesarily ridicoulus
The editor I am using (Magix Movie Edit Pro) allows for picture-in-picture through some simple editing. I was just playing around with it and the video is actually from two separate runs. I do own multiple hybrid camcorders thanks to my impulsive buying nature and will try to record multiple camera angles of the same run the next time I am out.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:27 AM   #11
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any videos?

This was the first time I used it so the sensors weren't calibrated properly but you get the idea.
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:24 AM   #12
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I just got the GoPro motorsport HERO HD, and so far I love it. My first autox with it is this weekend, so i'll try to remember to post the vid here. here's the practice shooting i did with it when I first got it:


I've set it up to mount on the right side of my helmet and the footage from that has been great - can see out the side windows its so wide and i can see the shifting and steering inputs all in one video - PLUS i can tell where i'm looking which is helpful.
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Old 03-23-2010, 02:59 PM   #13
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I get a lot of wind noise though, so I'm going to try running an extended mic lower in the car to see if I can get away from the wind.
If it's one of those embedded mics that have the three slits or something similar just put a piece of clear tape (e.g. Scotch Tape) over the slits. You don't need packing tape, just a nice thin single piece right over the mic. Do not poke holes in the tape. It will significantly reduce wind noise while still allowing engine and tire noise to come through.
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Old 03-23-2010, 03:30 PM   #14
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If it's one of those embedded mics that have the three slits or something similar just put a piece of clear tape (e.g. Scotch Tape) over the slits. You don't need packing tape, just a nice thin single piece right over the mic. Do not poke holes in the tape. It will significantly reduce wind noise while still allowing engine and tire noise to come through.
It's got a right and left with small covers with holes in them, not the one with slots. Do you think the tape would work on this? I'll probably give it a shot this weekend at VIR. Here is a pic of the camera (right below the lens):

http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.co...anvidfs100.jpg
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Old 03-23-2010, 03:59 PM   #15
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I like my sony CX-HDR100.

i'll be pairing that wth my GoPro HD this season
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It's got a right and left with small covers with holes in them, not the one with slots. Do you think the tape would work on this? I'll probably give it a shot this weekend at VIR. Here is a pic of the camera (right below the lens):

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Yep that looks like it would work. Be sure to tape beyond the grill/mesh not just the grill/mesh itself. Try to get a tape seal around the whole mic opening. You're trying to prevent any potential moving air from getting to the mic directly. The thin tape allows sound vibrations to still get through while preventing air from rushing past the mic which overwhelms the audio.
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The HD is just as wide as the old HERO unless you shoot in 1080i. At 960 or 720 its still 170degree angle, just like the old wide HERO
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It's got a right and left with small covers with holes in them, not the one with slots. Do you think the tape would work on this? I'll probably give it a shot this weekend at VIR. Here is a pic of the camera (right below the lens):

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a piece of felt or mushy packing styrofoam will create a better windsock for that mic.
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Old 03-23-2010, 05:37 PM   #19
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in a track car, a camcorder will do fine and give better quality without having the size limitations that Spec, Formula cars and karts require.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:42 AM   #20
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Bringing this back on. Options to include data logger?

This is my current set up, my trusty Sony hi-res handycam on IO port mount.

I do like these two options:

1. "I used a GoPro HD cam and Race Technology DL1 data logger and displyed it with ChaseCam DashWare." Neatly tucked in at bottom corners of viewing screen.

2. Another Dashware display

I'm looking for a system that is not too busy/distracting to view, proportional angles, and excellent sound quality. Then price is next consideration.

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Old 11-27-2010, 03:17 PM   #21
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I have been using a Chase Camera setup for a few years now. I bought a reconditioned unit from the company and has worked great so far.


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Old 11-27-2010, 07:05 PM   #22
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I just picked up a Drift Innovations HD170 for use in the rally car. They now have a mic input that I'll rewire up for the intercom output so you can get some good incar audio.

No video yet to post, but I should have some test stuff in the next month or so.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:33 PM   #23
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I think if you want a good, simple video camera with data logging, the Smartycam is a good option. Small. Easy to setup. Doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the more advanced systems, but for a "regular" guy it's decent. I think they're $100 off at OG right now too. http://www.ogracing.com/catalog/2-Ca...-DATA-RECORDER

FYI...I picked up a GoPro earlier in the year and like it. It's great for just video, and allows a lot of options for mounting. The mic still sucks though. Way too muffled.
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Old 11-27-2010, 11:59 PM   #24
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Full disclosure: I used to work for ChaseCam when the original PDR100 and G-Force module was released. Great setup and expandable for use with their new stuff, DashWare, and other OBDII modules. Cons: Very Expensive, not HD (yet).

I like the small package of the GoPro HD and comparatively, it puts out great HD video for the price.

I can't get over the price of the SmartyCam at nearly $1K and still not HD. That's a spicy meatball for just 720x480 video, I think you can do better but some folks like the all-in-one package.

Present date: I use a mix of older ChaseCam stuff, borrowed GoProHD cameras, Flip UltraHD (<$99 Black Friday sale, 720p HD video) for in-car, and some prototype HD cameras and equipment. I think that $300 is the absolute max for a decent camera for racing use that may well be consumed in a fire or shake itself to death, IMO anything more expensive than a pair/set of tires that could be damaged is better money spent elsewhere...unless your budget or conditions require tougher/more expensive gear.

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I just picked up a Drift Innovations HD170 for use in the rally car. They now have a mic input that I'll rewire up for the intercom output so you can get some good incar audio.

No video yet to post, but I should have some test stuff in the next month or so.
I have a drift 170 (non-hd) and love it. It's simple, has a screen so you can make sure it's pointed in the right direction, rotatable lens, wide angle, and has a remote! This audio input on the HD might mean it's time for me to buy another one and use this one for external shots
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