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Old 03-23-2010, 06:11 PM   #1
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Default Rally guys: you think a Hydra would be good on a rally car?

Meaning, can it take the vibrations? is the antilag any good?

I've heard good things about the Hydra, but not from anyone in the rally circle. And one tuner says he's annoyed with it because it takes so long to tune, with all the saving and uploading and so on.

Naturally my first choice wouldve been a Motec or GEMS, etc, but they are a bit out of my price range.
so, what you think?
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Old 03-23-2010, 06:17 PM   #2
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many of the tuners I know seem to prefer aem to hydra.

how about pectel?
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:27 PM   #3
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I'm happy with my Vi-pec!
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Old 03-23-2010, 07:54 PM   #4
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Use what your tuner wants you to use. Not what the forums tell you are best. Unless your tuner is Phil, no one will tell to use Hydra.
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:02 PM   #5
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Use what your tuner wants you to use. Not what the forums tell you are best. Unless your tuner is Phil, no one will tell to use Hydra.
my tuner says Motec or GEMS. but they're out of my price range.
he did mention something about Vipec though....
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:49 PM   #6
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Vipec is something you'll see a lot on rally cars. It's well priced. It's Ray Hall's new company. We've tuned several with good success, no problems, easy setup and good functionality.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:31 PM   #7
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Just remember you have to be able to get state registration. Here in Dallas Texas, you would have to be able to pass emissions.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:32 PM   #8
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I don't know if I would trust it with all the vibrations, to be honest. The wiring harness is weak at best, in my experience...
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:50 AM   #9
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Just remember you have to be able to get state registration. Here in Dallas Texas, you would have to be able to pass emissions.
I'm in Jamaica dude.

emissions?
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Old 03-24-2010, 09:56 AM   #10
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So you are. Then make it work and make it fast, but make it last.
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Old 03-25-2010, 11:44 AM   #11
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I don't know if I would trust it with all the vibrations, to be honest. The wiring harness is weak at best, in my experience...
hmm...anything else?

contacted the Vipec guys and their prices are about the same as the Hydra. Tuner says the Vipec is good though not as good as the Motec/GEMS....


anybody else uses the ViPec?
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Old 03-25-2010, 01:48 PM   #12
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I'm in Jamaica dude.

emissions?
Same goes for Kentucky
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:31 PM   #13
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No problems. Cassidy ran (runs?) a Hydra for years in T-4, the 4th generation rally for Last Ditch Racing. Ping him if you have questions on it.
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:57 PM   #14
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link??

alotta rally cars down under in oz/nz use them
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Old 03-25-2010, 11:19 PM   #15
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:26 AM   #16
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Link has some good options for rally cars, and good anti-lag control. But it has been said...use what your tuner wants you to use. Are you building a stage rally car? If so, you might want to reconsider if an EMS is out of your price range, no offense....if the car is just for rallying for fun, then stay away from anti-lag, you won't need it and most likely will damage your motor or crash your car. AEM is a good option if the car is just for fun or light competition, and the pricing is pretty good.
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:59 AM   #17
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I'll mirror the notion to get what the tuner wants... They will make or break you. You don't want to give them any excuse to break you

The AEM, from what I read, is based on GEMS architecture. I am not saying that it is as good as the Motec M800 or similar, however. Something to consider. Vipec appears to be something that many tuners seem to like in tuning circles. It is a clone of the Link G4.

As for Hydra, it has a lot of features, but seems to have a reputation as being time-consuming to tune, but I think that reputation came about from the previous software it used to run.

Go with your tuner's feeling
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Old 03-26-2010, 01:12 PM   #18
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Link has some good options for rally cars, and good anti-lag control. But it has been said...use what your tuner wants you to use. Are you building a stage rally car? If so, you might want to reconsider if an EMS is out of your price range, no offense....if the car is just for rallying for fun, then stay away from anti-lag, you won't need it and most likely will damage your motor or crash your car. AEM is a good option if the car is just for fun or light competition, and the pricing is pretty good.
I wasnt planning on buying an ECu at first. that is, until I did my first rally, and discovered how badly the turbo lag was killing me (roads are quite twisty and narrow here)
secondly, my car is a year 2000 model, whose stock ECU can ONLY be tuned by Ecutek. only one guy here can do it, and his workload is usually pretty high. This car is also gonna be a track car, so occasionally I will be swapping turbos to one without a restrictor. gonna need switchable maps.
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Old 03-26-2010, 01:13 PM   #19
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I'll mirror the notion to get what the tuner wants... They will make or break you. You don't want to give them any excuse to break you

The AEM, from what I read, is based on GEMS architecture. I am not saying that it is as good as the Motec M800 or similar, however. Something to consider. Vipec appears to be something that many tuners seem to like in tuning circles. It is a clone of the Link G4.

As for Hydra, it has a lot of features, but seems to have a reputation as being time-consuming to tune, but I think that reputation came about from the previous software it used to run.

Go with your tuner's feeling
I've heard the same thing. What about the new software (I think you're implying the newer vesrion uses a different software?)
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I've heard the same thing. What about the new software (I think you're implying the newer version uses a different software?)
That's the odd thing.. Even with the new software out, you would think that the world would go flocking towards it, but it doesn't appear to have. .. A lot of tuners seem to have the same reaction a vampire would have to garlic when it comes to the Hydra.

But then again, the same thing can be said of any EMS system out there. I'm sure that Phil of Element Tuning would have the same reaction if you rolled up with an AEM or Vipec for him to tune for you. If the tuner hates it, he or she hates it..
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That's the odd thing.. Even with the new software out, you would think that the world would go flocking towards it, but it doesn't appear to have. .. A lot of tuners seem to have the same reaction a vampire would have to garlic when it comes to the Hydra.

But then again, the same thing can be said of any EMS system out there. I'm sure that Phil of Element Tuning would have the same reaction if you rolled up with an AEM or Vipec for him to tune for you. If the tuner hates it, he or she hates it..
I guess first impressions are a bitch huh...
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Old 03-27-2010, 09:52 AM   #22
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PM me if you're interested in the Hydra. Might have one for sale shortly. We've run them in the rally car for the past 4 seasons.

Cheers! John
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Old 03-27-2010, 10:08 AM   #23
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ViPec is used by pretty much everyone that runs SP here in the states. Currently Travis Hanson is tied for 5th in the RA overall standings with Dave Mirra, but Travis is in an SP car running a ViPec.
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Old 03-27-2010, 10:15 AM   #24
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You will see us there! :-) We've run Link Plus and Hydra ECU's. ViPec is the hot ECU currently. From what I've read the functionality and performance is the same as the new Link G4 Storm ECU.

The Hydra is a VERY capable ECU. We've taken 3 consecutive Open regional championships with it in the car.

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No one mentioned Autronic yet... which surprises me.

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I guess first impressions are a bitch huh...
Primacy effect. Hard to shake it.
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