so apparently my CCW is to be rendered uselss?

AWDshenanigans · 03-26-2010, 12:29 PM

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...apons0326.html

c/n: house temporarily passes bill allowing adults to carry concealed weapons without a permit.

discuss.

and IBswicgunthread. i want non gun people in this convo too.

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pajak · 03-26-2010, 12:41 PM

Crazy, glad I spent 120bucks and wasted 8 hrs of my time

az ej20 fan · 03-26-2010, 12:49 PM

Good:

Less cost and waiting period

Bad:

Reciprocity with other states might be lost
Bad people can hide guns without the extra rap
Lack of training is not a good thing in the type of situations a CCW would normally call for. (shooting under stress)
Most people will not bother to learn the law of where to carry/not carry (even if concealed)

szeny · 03-26-2010, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by az ej20 fan

Good:

Less cost and waiting period

Bad:

Reciprocity with other states might be lost
Bad people can hide guns without the extra rap
Lack of training is not a good thing in the type of situations a CCW would normally call for. (shooting under stress)
Most people will not bother to learn the law of where to carry/not carry (even if concealed)

was like a 3 week wait

v8eaterWRX · 03-26-2010, 01:11 PM

Nothing wrong with it. Do you honestly think a criminal is gonna go out and get a damn CCW anyway? No, they are going to carry the damn weapon concealed regardless. This just makes it easier for those that are not currently CCW holders to do so. These are always double edged swords, but you gotta remember they don't call a criminal a criminal for nothing. This law will not even affect them, as they do/will not follow the current law anyway.

As far as the lack of training, come on now. That CCW class does little to nothing to help anyone who is going to have the need to use the weapon in a moment of stress. Its not the military.

AWDshenanigans · 03-26-2010, 01:23 PM

im a big gun supporter, but the test to get a ccw is so easy, i feel like it should be required. we're gonna see more of those yahoos like the guy at the pavillions a few weeks ago that pulled a gun on someone at got the bejeezus kicked out of him

brock, i agree with you on the criminal part, its the people that don't know what theyre doing that bothers me. people that never felt the need to bring/conceal a gun because they dont have a permit but now they do just because they can.

az ej20 fan · 03-26-2010, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by szeny

was like a 3 week wait

Do you have any other "good" items to add?

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8eaterWRX

Nothing wrong with it. Do you honestly think a criminal is gonna go out and get a damn CCW anyway? No, they are going to carry the damn weapon concealed regardless... but you gotta remember they don't call a criminal a criminal for nothing. This law will not even affect them, as they do/will not follow the current law anyway.

My point is that they will not get additional time for it, but I am sure there will be a provision in the bill for it. (at least I would hope so)

Quote:

Originally Posted by v8eaterWRX

As far as the lack of training, come on now. That CCW class does little to nothing to help anyone who is going to have the need to use the weapon in a moment of stress. Its not the military.

I agree, some people have no business carrying. If you can't hit what you aim at, don't carry. People that consider it (or are considering it) should watch these:

YouTube- "The Concealed Carry Protocol" by Nutnfancy

YouTube- "Obligation of Carry" by Nutnfancy

SaabaruMike · 03-26-2010, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWDshenanigans

its the people that don't know what theyre doing that bothers me. people that never felt the need to bring/conceal a gun because they dont have a permit but now they do just because they can.

Don't worry. They won't be able to hit a thing since they'll all be holding their guns sideways.

I have mixed feelings on this one. On one hand, yay for me because I still haven't gotten around to taking the class. On the other hand, I can see a bunch of roid raged Scottsdale d bags carrying now because they can.

phoenixheat_2002 · 03-26-2010, 04:17 PM

imo, you should need a license to carry (open or otherwise). That way when "criminals" have a gun w/o a license, they get tagged right then.

bObby · 03-26-2010, 04:29 PM

Damn it, I though you bought some CCW wheels or something.

az ej20 fan · 03-26-2010, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenixheat_2002

imo, you should need a license to carry (open or otherwise). That way when "criminals" have a gun w/o a license, they get tagged right then.

...see 2nd Ammendment...

subykid · 03-26-2010, 06:25 PM

wow thats awesome. the only difference now is yall paid and ur fingerprints are on file haha

az ej20 fan · 03-26-2010, 06:57 PM

Look at the original post:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWDshenanigans

c/n: house temporarily passes bill allowing adults to carry concealed weapons without a permit.

C-grunt · 03-27-2010, 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by phoenixheat_2002

imo, you should need a license to carry (open or otherwise). That way when "criminals" have a gun w/o a license, they get tagged right then.

You shouldnt need a permit to do something thats garaunteed by the Bill of Rights.

A license isnt going to stop criminals from carrying.

AWDshenanigans · 03-27-2010, 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-grunt

You shouldnt need a permit to do something thats garaunteed by the Bill of Rights.

A license isnt going to stop criminals from carrying.

the bill of rights only guarantees the right to bear arms, not the right to conceal them. i think there should either be the license or at the very least they should do what scottsdale gun club does witht heir range but for buying a gun.

"is this your first gun?"
"yes."
::gun safety education::

AZMike · 03-28-2010, 04:04 PM

Since it is already legal to carry a gun without a permit in this state I don't see the need to get a CCW. I DO however advise anyone who wants to carry a gun to take some tactical classes. They were all alot of fun and you always learn something regardless of your experiance level as you will begin to pick up from different styles. They really don't teach that much in CCW, they only require you can hit a man sized target at 15 feet which I can do without aiming.

I was raised with guns since I was a little kid and have hunted since I was 7 but these days alot of people don't have experiance with guns. Prob for the best that most idiot criminals are lousey shots so lets just leave it that way.

Remember the state with the least violent crime in the US is Vermont, they were the first state other than Alaska to allow concealed carry without a permit..

Inigo Montoya · 03-28-2010, 07:23 PM

I thought that we were having a budget crisis, I don't personally care either way but wouldn't the state want to be collecting money to address the budget shortfalls that we are seeing?

NeedBoost21 · 03-28-2010, 08:28 PM

First guns aren't dangerous, people are. If someone wants to hurt people they will use whatever means necessary. I carry all the time and I don't have a CCW. Like previously state if someone wants to carry they will regardless. And a CCW is no formal training by any means, and I personally would never waste my money or time on it.

DroppedClutch · 03-29-2010, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZMike

Remember the state with the least violent crime in the US is Vermont...

Remember the state with the second least population in the US is Vermont.

AWDshenanigans · 03-29-2010, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya

I thought that we were having a budget crisis, I don't personally care either way but wouldn't the state want to be collecting money to address the budget shortfalls that we are seeing?

the fees collected by CCW carriers don't come close to offsettign the administrative costs of running that department, which they can now shut down.

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeedBoost21

First guns aren't dangerous, people are. If someone wants to hurt people they will use whatever means necessary. I carry all the time and I don't have a CCW. Like previously state if someone wants to carry they will regardless. And a CCW is no formal training by any means, and I personally would never waste my money or time on it.

can't say i agree there. there are a lot of people out there that are literally so dumb that they need classes like the CCW course just so they don't accidentally shoot someone. one of the questions on my test was multiple choice regarding the first step in cleaning a firearm. it offered the answer "make sure it is not loaded by pointing in a safe direction and pulling the trigger". they put that there because people have messed that up.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DroppedClutch

Remember the state with the second least population in the US is Vermont.

per capita.

DroppedClutch · 03-29-2010, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWDshenanigans

per capita.

Nope, still not the least per capita in violent crime... according to the US Bureau of Justice Statistics for 2004-2007. Besides, correlation does not mean causality.

C-grunt · 03-30-2010, 04:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWDshenanigans

can't say i agree there. there are a lot of people out there that are literally so dumb that they need classes like the CCW course just so they don't accidentally shoot someone. one of the questions on my test was multiple choice regarding the first step in cleaning a firearm. it offered the answer "make sure it is not loaded by pointing in a safe direction and pulling the trigger". they put that there because people have messed that up.

.

Stupid people dont make an inanimate object dangerous. Just like a car isnt dangerous, but dirvers still kill 40 thousand people a year with them.

making stupid people go through a class is not going to keep them from doing idiotic things. Just like getting a drivers license, which is harder than getting a CCW, doesnt stop people from doing stupid things.

racingfish · 03-30-2010, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by az ej20 fan

I agree, some people have no business carrying. If you can't hit what you aim at, don't carry. People that consider it (or are considering it) should watch these:

i'm pretty sure cars kill a lot more people than guns do per year in AZ... or in the the united states for that matter. If people can't drive they shouldnt be on the streets (everyone that drives a cavalier/sunfire/grand am/grand prix). I'm more scared of getting hit by one of those people who drive those cars than getting shot by someone carrying a concealed weapon.

I've carried a concealed weapon for years in californa, and i really havent had to pull it out and shoot at anyone.

I totally agree with brock and chase tho.

DroppedClutch · 03-31-2010, 01:12 PM

For anyone interested, this legal change will be discussed on KJZZ today from 11 to 12.

phoenixheat_2002 · 03-31-2010, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C-grunt

You shouldnt need a permit to do something thats garaunteed by the Bill of Rights.

A license isnt going to stop criminals from carrying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by az ej20 fan

...see 2nd Ammendment...

Since when does requiring a license mean you do not have the right to carry a weapon? You need a license to drive a car, and IMO you should have a license to carry a firearm.

This also ensures that anyone carrying a firearm w/o a license would be deemed a criminal and I'm ok with that. I know quite a few people that have guns, that should not. If a simple license is a deterent to own a gun, then you shouldn't own a gun.

My home state requires that each person carry a license at all times (while armed) and you actually have to register any firearm you own.

I'm actually a quite conservative person, but this is surely one thing that I'm a bit liberal on (even though I enjoy weapons).

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az ej20 fan Scooby Specialist Member#: 45278 Join Date: Oct 2003 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Back in AZ	Good: Less cost and waiting period Bad: Reciprocity with other states might be lost Bad people can hide guns without the extra rap Lack of training is not a good thing in the type of situations a CCW would normally call for. (shooting under stress) Most people will not bother to learn the law of where to carry/not carry (even if concealed)

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v8eaterWRX Scooby Guru Member#: 108547 Join Date: Feb 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: boondock camping Vehicle: 2012 Tundra Crewmax 4x4 5.7l TRD AFE Stage II	Nothing wrong with it. Do you honestly think a criminal is gonna go out and get a damn CCW anyway? No, they are going to carry the damn weapon concealed regardless. This just makes it easier for those that are not currently CCW holders to do so. These are always double edged swords, but you gotta remember they don't call a criminal a criminal for nothing. This law will not even affect them, as they do/will not follow the current law anyway. As far as the lack of training, come on now. That CCW class does little to nothing to help anyone who is going to have the need to use the weapon in a moment of stress. Its not the military.

03-26-2010, 01:23 PM	#6
AWDshenanigans Scooby Specialist Member#: 197856 Join Date: Dec 2008 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: 'merikuh Vehicle: 2010 FJ Cruiser Sandstorm	im a big gun supporter, but the test to get a ccw is so easy, i feel like it should be required. we're gonna see more of those yahoos like the guy at the pavillions a few weeks ago that pulled a gun on someone at got the bejeezus kicked out of him brock, i agree with you on the criminal part, its the people that don't know what theyre doing that bothers me. people that never felt the need to bring/conceal a gun because they dont have a permit but now they do just because they can.

03-26-2010, 04:17 PM	#9
phoenixheat_2002 Scooby Newbie Member#: 211058 Join Date: May 2009 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Phoenix	imo, you should need a license to carry (open or otherwise). That way when "criminals" have a gun w/o a license, they get tagged right then.

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bObby Scooby Guru Member#: 66959 Join Date: Jul 2004 Chapter/Region: SCIC Location: straight out of Compton Vehicle: VF Engineer'd e46 M3 & vip'd 2GS GS300	Damn it, I though you bought some CCW wheels or something.

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subykid Scooby Specialist Member#: 116438 Join Date: Jun 2006 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Forced Air Technologies Vehicle: 2009 WRX Hatch FAT Snail Racing	wow thats awesome. the only difference now is yall paid and ur fingerprints are on file haha

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AZMike Scooby Newbie Member#: 136470 Join Date: Jan 2007 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Scottsdale Az Vehicle: 2003 JDM STi swap World Rally Blue	Since it is already legal to carry a gun without a permit in this state I don't see the need to get a CCW. I DO however advise anyone who wants to carry a gun to take some tactical classes. They were all alot of fun and you always learn something regardless of your experiance level as you will begin to pick up from different styles. They really don't teach that much in CCW, they only require you can hit a man sized target at 15 feet which I can do without aiming. I was raised with guns since I was a little kid and have hunted since I was 7 but these days alot of people don't have experiance with guns. Prob for the best that most idiot criminals are lousey shots so lets just leave it that way. Remember the state with the least violent crime in the US is Vermont, they were the first state other than Alaska to allow concealed carry without a permit..

03-28-2010, 07:23 PM	#17
Inigo Montoya Scooby Newbie Member#: 149226 Join Date: May 2007	I thought that we were having a budget crisis, I don't personally care either way but wouldn't the state want to be collecting money to address the budget shortfalls that we are seeing?

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NeedBoost21 Scooby Specialist Member#: 150337 Join Date: Jun 2007 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: AZ Vehicle: 2007 E92 335i Black Sapphire Metallic	First guns aren't dangerous, people are. If someone wants to hurt people they will use whatever means necessary. I carry all the time and I don't have a CCW. Like previously state if someone wants to carry they will regardless. And a CCW is no formal training by any means, and I personally would never waste my money or time on it.

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DroppedClutch Scooby Specialist Member#: 52313 Join Date: Jan 2004 Chapter/Region: SWIC Location: Chandler, AZ Vehicle: 2005 STiOmgWtfBbq20G 2007 MS3 Black	For anyone interested, this legal change will be discussed on KJZZ today from 11 to 12.