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Old 03-29-2010, 04:06 PM   #1
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I have an Avital (DEI) alarm system. Does anyone know of a way to make the horns beep when the alarm goes off? My supertones are way louder than the siren...

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Old 03-29-2010, 06:42 PM   #2
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Most of the DEI units have a separate horn honk output wire. This wire can be programmed to honk the horns only when the alarm is triggered and/or for your lock and unlock confirmations.

What model unit do you have?
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Old 03-29-2010, 06:59 PM   #3
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Ok cool good start.

The manual is out in the car, and it's pouring outside, but I think it's the 4200T or 4400T, something like that. I can confirm tomorrow.

I'm hoping to add the window control and trunk popper units this spring, so I'd like to connect the horns at the same time.
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Old 03-30-2010, 12:01 AM   #4
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Is your model a newer model? a way to make programming easier on yourself is getting a Bitwriter. As an installer, I myself have a bitwriter and it makes my world much easier instead of pushing the button.
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Old 03-30-2010, 10:24 AM   #5
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Is your model a newer model? a way to make programming easier on yourself is getting a Bitwriter. As an installer, I myself have a bitwriter and it makes my world much easier instead of pushing the button.
I have no idea what you're talking about or what you're referring to...
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Old 03-31-2010, 08:50 AM   #6
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thedaddyb, you got any more info? anyone else?
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:18 AM   #7
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I was just waiting on the specific model info. I can give you a definite answer once I know that.
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Old 03-31-2010, 11:32 AM   #8
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oh crap my bad! i'm going out for lunch in a few minutes, i'll grab it then.
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Old 04-01-2010, 11:43 AM   #9
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ah once again my bad for taking so long. been a hectic week at work...


so my alarm is the Avital 4400, and I got the 2-way pager. let me know if you need any more information. Thanks!
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ok so that model doesn't have a horn output built in. Unfortunately there really isn't any easy way of wiring the horns to work other than having them honk every time the siren chirps. (which might get annoying for you)
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haha yea it probably would... but worth it??

i'm great at wiring, so if there's a difficult way to do it, let me have it
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well if you really want to go crazy on it:

You could wire up a pulse timer relay to activate on your full trigger mux input going from the shock sensor into the brain. Adjust the pulse timer to be for a suitable length of time like 30 seconds. (like it is for the siren)

Now the next problem is that it would just give you a solid pulse to the horns. So no on-off honking, just a solid full tone for whatever time you set it for.

To make it pulsed, you could wire yet another relay to be activated by the pulse timer relay and your parking light flash output from the alarm. So essentially you will have your horn honk when the lights flash only when the alarm is triggered.

It would be pretty complicated, but it should work.
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I figured it would involve a couple relays/timers. I am not nearly well versed enough in what products exist to piece this together, but if you were willing to break it down for me, I'd love to do it!
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really all you would need any basic SPDT automotive relay and you could grab the DEI 528t pulse timer.

You probably would also want to get a handful of diodes to isolate the horn output from the various sources.
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so i understand what you've said so far. unfortunately i didn't install my alarm, so locating some things, like the shock sensor, might prove the most difficult.

if some sort of wiring diagram exists with all the I/O's for these relays/timer, i'd be set.

but basically your saying, when there is enough of a jolt to trigger the shock sensor, it will send a signal to the alarm brain. i would use this same signal to trigger the relay, which will in turn supply power to the pulse timer.

then, the trigger for the timer would just be a lead from the parking lights, hence beeping the horn on/off with the lights. the output from the timer would trigger the horns.

i'll stop there for now
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There is a program mode that you use in conjunction with your valet switch. I did it on my 5303L
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There is a program mode that you use in conjunction with your valet switch. I did it on my 5303L
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so you want to use the your supertones instead of the factory siren? If you use a relay off of the park light output wire from the brain to 86, 85 to ground, 30 to constant power and 87 to the power side of the hellas maybe...it sounds like it should work, however I have never tried it before. You may want to ask around a little more.-john
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not the stock siren, cause i have an aftermarket alarm. i want to use them in conjuction with my aftermarket siren.

what you mentioned is what i had first thought, but then i was worried about feeding voltage back to the horn (on the steering wheel) when the alarm goes off. i also don't want the horns to beep everytime i arm/disarm the car, so running off the parking lights alone is not an option.

i know 'thedaddyb' has the answer, i just need it clarified more with part #'s, etc.
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