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Old 03-02-2010, 12:30 AM   #1
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hey everyone i want to start changing my oil myself and i was wondering what u guys think of the fumoto valve? Should I get one, and if anyone knows where to get 1?
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Old 03-02-2010, 12:42 AM   #2
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Waste of money imo. Whats wrong with a 17mm bolt and a crush washer?

And it drains way slower.
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Old 03-02-2010, 12:56 AM   #3
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Waste of money imo. Whats wrong with a 17mm bolt and a crush washer?

And it drains way slower.
I respectfually disagree!

I have one and it's awesome! Makes changing oil waaaay faster and cleaner. I have one with the nipple so all I do is hook up a hose from the valve to my oil drain pan. Open the valve, and in 5 min, I'm empty. I close off the valve and DONE! No mess, and actually faster when you consider most people only open their drain plug to let it drip out. Because if you totally take the plug off, oil shoots out horizontal rather than strait down. Makes trying to line up the drain pan a pain in the ass... and way easier to spill...

Never have to wory about rounding off your drain plug or having to buy washers....

Well worth the money IMO from an actual user!

Most people who have one, recommend them. Those who think they are a waste of money, 90% of the time have never actually used one...

I put experience ahead of pure opinion.

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Old 03-02-2010, 01:54 AM   #4
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Waste of money imo. Whats wrong with a 17mm bolt and a crush washer?

And it drains way slower.
It drains just as fast & less mess FTW
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Old 03-02-2010, 02:01 AM   #5
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i have used one, i would never buy one. if you use the normal drain plug it does drain rather quickly. enough to overflow a funnel hole on some drain pans. make sure you use the bucket style drain pan and you'll have no problems. misalignment the pan isn't a huge problem. Just put the pan more to the passenger side. And don't just loosen the plug... that would take forever to drain... and i've never heard of anybody doing that. I have held the plug in place with the wrench just to regulate how fast it goes so it doesn't overflow my funnel pan. But that's still only 30 or so seconds for it to be 98% empty...

as far as the mess goes, i typically just hold the plug in the boxed end wrench saving my hands from getting coated. by far the messiest part of the oil change is taking off the filter. i always do my changes right after having the car fully warmed up. this helps get all the old oil out as it will be thinner.

if you're worried about rounding off your drain plug then get somebody else to do the work on your car... it's pretty much impossible. I also don't change my crush washer every oil change. maybe every 4-5. I'm probably on oil change #4 right now and it's still fine. Just don't go crazy on the plug when you tighten it. and they are 40cents or something stupid cheap.

Jay, you make it sounds like you don't change the filter...

i would say give it a try without one and if you find it to be a huge inconvenience to loosen a bolt then go ahead and get one.

i've also always worried about snapping the drain valves off... I have hit the pan on stuff before (lightly) but i'm sure the drain valve would be destroyed along with my engine if i had a similar impact on the pan.
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Old 03-02-2010, 02:36 AM   #6
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I'm not about to say that it's made a world of a difference for me. but heck, it beats taking out the socket from the tool chest. just saves one or two steps. I can't say it'll drain any faster, or slower, but it has only made it slightly easier.

to op, if you're changing your oil very often, I would suggest getting one.
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Old 03-02-2010, 03:14 AM   #7
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It drains just as fast & less mess FTW
it also rubs on skidplates.
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:03 AM   #8
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I just think it's one more part to fail.

17mm wrench to crack the bolt loose then turn it with your hand while still applying pressure, then once all the threads have come out, quickly pull out the bolt and there you go. With the bucket style drain pan it's like impossible to have a drip of oil on the ground unless you don't know what you're doing.

And rounding off the 17mm bolt is pretty much impossible.

But yeah, guess it's personal preference but honestly I think I can do an oil change faster without one. By the time I take the filter off and put the new one in all the oil is already out.
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:31 AM   #9
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Old 03-02-2010, 10:42 AM   #10
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I put them on both of our Subaru's. I think it's super handy. If you do get one, use a crush ring instead of their green paper washer. And if you're worried about it accidentally draining, you can get a 5/8 in hose clip to keep the lever from moving.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:18 AM   #11
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I just think it's one more part to fail.

17mm wrench to crack the bolt loose then turn it with your hand while still applying pressure, then once all the threads have come out, quickly pull out the bolt and there you go. With the bucket style drain pan it's like impossible to have a drip of oil on the ground unless you don't know what you're doing.

And rounding off the 17mm bolt is pretty much impossible.

But yeah, guess it's personal preference but honestly I think I can do an oil change faster without one. By the time I take the filter off and put the new one in all the oil is already out.
Again, if you have never used one, I wouldn't speculate on the difference let alone give advice to someone who's thinking about buying one! (And the valve is built pretty darn well. I have a hard time seeing it fail!)

I'm not saying it's the end all and be all of oil changes (and yes I do change my filter as well!) but people who have never used one shouldn't be giving advice on the difference between it and a regular drain plug.

Kinda like me saying "I THINK I would like driving my STI better than an Enzo so don't bother going and buying an Enzo if you are thinking about it!"

Just saying...
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:42 AM   #12
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Oil wont shoot out horizontally if you take off your oil cap before draining.

It makes a big difference.

I personally wouldn't get one because it wont clear my skid plate, and I have read of them being torn off when the car hit a pothole and the front end dipped down.
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:48 AM   #13
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Oil wont shoot out horizontally if you take off your oil cap before draining.

It makes a big difference.

I personally wouldn't get one because it wont clear my skid plate, and I have read of them being torn off when the car hit a pothole and the front end dipped down.
You have a very valid reason not to get one!

But your statement about it being "torn off when the car hit a pothole" is... well... hard to believe. My falve has the nupple on the end of it and I bet it sits no more than 1-1.5inches off the oil pan. (remember it doesn't point strait down ether)

When I have my plastic guard on, you can just barely see the tip of it....

I'd like to see the size of these "potholes" you are talking about!

But there is no way you are even going to come close to ripping it off under normal driving conditions.

Well you might be able to if this was the pothole you are talking about:



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Old 03-02-2010, 12:07 PM   #14
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Check out these threads and see what other people say about it!

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...lve-today.html

http://www.iwsti.com/forums/2-5-lite...oto-valve.html

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Old 03-02-2010, 09:38 PM   #15
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well thanks for all the opinions im goin to do my oil without one then see how it goes if its not messy then screw wont need it
thanks again everyone
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Old 03-02-2010, 11:25 PM   #16
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The info I posted about the valves being torn off was just what I read, that wasn't from personal experience

Taking the oil cap off while draining is probably the best tip I ever got about changing oil
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:37 AM   #17
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I have one on each of my cars and I love it. But it's one of those things that you either like or don't like. For the cost, it makes no difference either way I think.

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Old 03-04-2010, 02:04 AM   #18
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how much does it cost and from where? just outta curiosity
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Old 03-04-2010, 12:41 PM   #20
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It worked fine for me on my RS.

We did a group buy a long time ago. There's supposedly a place in chilliwack. Don't know if it's still around though, but you can check the thread. tons of other good info about it/installing.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...ghlight=fumoto
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Old 03-04-2010, 01:00 PM   #21
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Western Canada Distributer;
barry@rpsmith.com

Most of the Trucking company stores are dealers;
the closest to me is a Kenworth truck shop.
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Old 04-24-2010, 05:27 AM   #22
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Wish I caught this thread a little earlier but here's my two cents. The Fumoto Drain Valve may be convenient and innovative, but its just one of those solutions to what turns out to be a non-problem. Reasons I wouldn't use one:

- Just another thing to go wrong later
- Risk having unforseen road/off-road hazards to damage a $20+ valve
- Slower flow (I like to feel as though the oil is "flushing" out any sediment)
- You're getting oily by changing the oil filter anyways

I've done enough oil changes to keep myself relatively clean. Like one of our members said, its the oil filter that gets messy. If anyone has a tidy way of getting the oil filter out cleanly PLEASE enlighten us!

*A tip on not getting oily when removing the drain plug:
Don't open the oil filler cap nor pull out the dipstick
Loosen the plug with ratchet/wrench
Use fingers to unscrew the bolt WHILE PUSHING INWARDS AT OPENING.
Once the bolt is completely backed out (but still holding oil in by pushing), pull away swiftly and viola. But make sure you have an oil drain pan under the car (obviously), lest you "viola" all over the ground. All that is oily is just half the threading on your bolt.
Then pull the dipstick open to allow faster draining

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Old 04-24-2010, 01:50 PM   #23
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If anyone has a tidy way of getting the oil filter out cleanly PLEASE enlighten us!
Boom.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1491464
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Old 04-24-2010, 10:47 PM   #24
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Well i guess i dont mind getting my tools greasy rather than me and/or the exhaust. I guess I cant keep everything clean.
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Wish I caught this thread a little earlier but here's my two cents. The Fumoto Drain Valve may be convenient and innovative, but its just one of those solutions to what turns out to be a non-problem. Reasons I wouldn't use one:

- Just another thing to go wrong later
- Risk having unforseen road/off-road hazards to damage a $20+ valve
- Slower flow (I like to feel as though the oil is "flushing" out any sediment)
- You're getting oily by changing the oil filter anyways

I've done enough oil changes to keep myself relatively clean. Like one of our members said, its the oil filter that gets messy. If anyone has a tidy way of getting the oil filter out cleanly PLEASE enlighten us!

*A tip on not getting oily when removing the drain plug:
Loosen the plug with ratchet/wrench
Use fingers to unscrew the bolt WHILE PUSHING INWARDS AT OPENING.
Once the bolt is completely backed out (but still holding oil in by pushing), pull away swiftly and viola. But make sure you have an oil drain pan under the car (obviously), lest you "viola" all over the ground. All that is oily is just half the threading on your bolt.
try unscrewing the filter just enough for the oil to leak out; once it starts it should flow down one side of the filter. After 5 min it shouldn't be draining anymore and you can just unscrew the filter grabbing between the oil streaks on the side of the filter.

Still trying to perfect pulling out the bolt and viola'ing without getting oil on my hand. Until then GoJo is my best oil change aid
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