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Old 04-05-2010, 01:07 AM   #1
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Hi, So I am new to my wrx and to driving mt and have a small question/concern...

The other day I parked on a fairly steep drive way, put on the e brake, and put it in first. Let go of the brakes and she started to roll back. Not a little but a lot (well i didnít let it go for long). I heard two clicks (or grinding type sounds, hard to explain - didnít sound good though) applied my brakes started her up and got off that drive way and parked somewhere more flat!

So my question is what happened? Can i not park on that much of an incline, or did I just do something wrong? Like I said I am new to driving a stick so I am hoping there is just something that I didnt do because there are a lot of hills around where I used to park and now im scared to park on them. Also I just got a new clutch put in two days ago.
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:30 AM   #2
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Must have done somthing wrong, or you have some problem, I park my subi (with 4 other imprezas on the block) at my moms house a couple times a week on one of the steepest hill streets in portland and no one has ever had a problem.
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Old 04-05-2010, 01:41 AM   #3
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I'm in a quite similar situation having my WRX as my first manual. I learn that you just need to firmly pull on the hand brake when you're on any incline to securely park your car. I think the hand brake alone should hold up the car. So what I do is do what you would normally do when you park, except I put the car in neutral and pull the brake before I shut the engine off to test if the hand brake is pulled correctly. Let the brake go and see if it rolls. If it does, it often means I haven't pulled the hand brake hard enough. When the hand brake alone does the job, shut the car off, put it in first and you're done. Hope this helps.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:06 AM   #4
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In every MT I have ever owned/driven, the handbrake alone is all that should ever be needed regardless of the incline. Like the poster above said, you may need to pull a bit more when parking on an incline to make sure it is fully applied.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:15 AM   #5
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If you are on a steep enough hill the weight of the car will rotate the motor over in gear, probably what you heard. This is pretty much true of all manual trans. cars. The idea behind putting it in gear is that if the park brake fails the compression from the motor will prevent the car from gaining enough speed to due serious damage. Pull brake harder next time or take center glove box consul out and adjust brake so it holds on an incline.

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Old 04-05-2010, 02:16 AM   #6
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You also may want to check if there is enough tension in the ebrake cable,an tighten it if necessary.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:33 AM   #7
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I noticed when I switched from my GTI to my subi I had to pull up a lot higher on the subi ebrake. So definitely on a steep incline put some man into it.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:36 AM   #8
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I've seen E-brakes go on cars that weren't on that steep of an incline at all. Any time I park on a hill like that I always put it in gear. The cars gonna roll back a little of course so whatever.
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Old 04-05-2010, 02:57 AM   #9
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Thanks everyone! From now on I will man up on the ebrake! If it still rolls that I will check the tension on it.

Cone Klr thanks for letting me know what that noise was, takes a lot of stress off. Im very protective of my baby!
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Old 04-05-2010, 12:11 PM   #10
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I park on a really steep hill almost every day when I go to get lunch. 2 things that you didn't do that may help (besides really yanking up on the ebrake). Put it in reverse. It's an even lower gear than first, so will give you more engine brake power. Also, if there is a curb, turn your wheels so that if the car rolls downhill, the curb will stop the tire. if there's no curb, point your wheels so the car goes to the place that it'll cause the least danger if it were to roll.
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Jack is correct about putting it in reverse, it will hold better uphill and downhill.
I used to do that for a while in my saturn because the drums where bad until i got them replaced. always felt like I was going to rip the handle out one day from pulling on the e-brake so far up.
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Old 04-05-2010, 12:54 PM   #12
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One thing that I always do, is pull up on the ebrake, let the brakes out, the car will roll about a foot until the ebrake catches it, THEN put it in gear. The ebrake doesn't catch the car instantly, it will roll a foot or so first, so if the car is already in gear, engine off, clutch out, the entire time the car is parked it's going to be pushing against the motor mounts, tranny mount, engine compression, etc. and the ebrake is going to be doing basically nothing. I don't like my drivetrain sitting under that much stress for that long, so I let the car roll until the ebrake catches it, then put it in gear, so the engine compression is only used if the ebrake starts to slip.
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The ebrake doesn't catch the car instantly, it will roll a foot or so first,
Hopefully not a foot???
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Hopefully not a foot???
Maybe not a full foot, but it's at least 6", it's noticable.
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Maybe not a full foot, but it's at least 6", it's noticable.
I'd be lucky to push mine an inch with the handbrake on, maybe you should have your handbrake looked at

when parked on a hill, after releasing the footbrake, the car might roll back 1"
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I'd be lucky to push mine an inch with the handbrake on, maybe you should have your handbrake looked at

when parked on a hill, after releasing the footbrake, the car might roll back 1"
Maybe I'm not remembering it right, I don't park on hills but once every 6 months or so.
I do know that it's noticable, and if you stop, put the car in gear, shut off the engine, release the clutch, apply the ebrake, then release the foot brake, the movement before the ebrake stops the car is enough to bind up the drivetrain and prevent you from pulling the shifter out of gear without pushing the clutch back in.
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eggroll you have a real good point know matter how much roll. Now when I am parking its : N, let go of clutch, ebrake, car off, let go of footbrake, let ebreake catch, foot brake, clutch in, put in R, release footbrake, walk away knowing she's not rolling anywhere!
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I was always taught that if you're parking on an incline (nose up), you put the car in a forward gear (I use 2nd, myself), and on a decline, you use reverse. The theory being that a forward gear won't allow the car to roll backward and vice versa. Any truth to this theory? I've never really had a desire to test it that thoroughly...
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two things... Once you have the e-brake set, your car should not move an inch after you let go of the brake pedal. I unload my boat probably 100 times a year with my wrx, i KNOW my ebrake well! (any movement is from the suspension unloading, but the rear tires should be physically locked)

Also, if you are adjusting anything on the ebrake inside the car, you are probably doing it wrong. Look up on here how to adjust it, but you rarely have to touch the center console, its all done on the brakes themselves. Adjusting the center console is a good way to have worthless ebrakes.
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I was always taught that if you're parking on an incline (nose up), you put the car in a forward gear (I use 2nd, myself), and on a decline, you use reverse. The theory being that a forward gear won't allow the car to roll backward and vice versa. Any truth to this theory? I've never really had a desire to test it that thoroughly...
The engine will rotate either direction, but rotating it backwards is a good way to cause the cams to jump a tooth on the timing belt (or so I've heard).

You should also use the lowest gear possible (1st, not 2nd), since that will give the engine's compression the most leverage over the drivetrain.

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