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Old 06-03-2002, 11:19 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Subaru short shifter

well i don't know how many people have had both the kart boy short shifter lever w/ bushings and the subaru short shifter, full linkage, but i have.

over time i did not like the notchy feel of the kartboy, so i took it out and sold it. i then purchased the entire subaru short shifter linkage and installed it.

the subaru in my opion is much smoother shifting. the throw is as short, if not shorter than the kartboy. i can personally shifter much much faster with the subaru short shifter due to the much smoother action.

my kartboy would bind up and cause me to mis 3rd gear if i was not paying close attention to the shift motion. with the subaru ss kit i can have a drink in my hand, and reach over and just push the shifter up from second, and it will fall into 3rd with no problems.

down shifting into 1st while moving is also much easier with the subaru ss.

i did keep the kartboy bushings, and i would recommend this to anyone getting the subaru ss. i had the opportunity to do a car to car comparision from a car with the subaru ss with the stock bushing to mine with the kartboy, and there is a difference. the kartboys do take all the sloppyness out of the action.

hope this helps.

in my opionion it is worth the extra money to get the subaru ss. i paid 189 from maxtro motors.

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Old 06-04-2002, 10:11 AM   #2
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Well, that's what I've been saying for a while... Nice review, and it should help someone.

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Old 10-01-2002, 11:52 PM   #3
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I have the Subrau SS and was wondering what would the Kart's do, thanks for the answer!!
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Old 10-04-2002, 12:49 AM   #4
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Old 10-08-2002, 02:15 PM   #5
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What differences are there between OEM and STi linkages?

I have a Karboy shifter & bushing combo (not currently installed, long story--no, I have no complaints about them ). I'm wondering if the Kartboy shifter installed in the STi linkage would be even better.


I think the "binding" up into 3rd happens with even the OEM shifter. That little problem ceased for me when I installed the Group N tranny mount.


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What's your specific argument?

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Old 10-08-2002, 03:17 PM   #6
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siper2 if you read the following thread, my post, this is what my mechanic said is wrong with the shorter shifter levers, (kartboy, and all the others). this is not proven specifically, so take it for what it is worth. it made sence to me

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...hreadid=206559
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Old 10-08-2002, 04:58 PM   #7
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Well I read the whole thread, and you had a good point, but I think the mechanic was probably just generalizing. Most "short shifters" are POS offerings you find in the back of Super Street, with no good R&D behind them, no way to investigate nor prove quality, certainly no customer service.

Tom & Mark I'm sure did all the required research, and then some, before slapping something together. Not that I think that's your opinion. Just a point, is all.

As Peat Romano's pics show, the ball-to-sleeve distance is nearly identical from KB to STi shifter arms. I do find your argument about the gold linkage arms vs. OEM ones, and their slight difference, to be intriguing, though. However, if you're right about the angle thing, I say Kartboy shifters can't be to blame.

I say if your argument is right, then NOBODY should use ANY shifter where the "A-->B" length is different from OEM, if using an OEM linkage. The STi linkage appears to be better suited for both STi shifters AND KB shifters. Again, if your point has any merit.


I'd be interested in further opinions on this. I'll Email Peat, see if he'll pitch in.

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Old 10-08-2002, 05:56 PM   #8
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I know I've done this before but, I've played with both linkages and driven both. The linkage itself is the same stock VS STi. You put them side by side an there is no difference besides the colour and the end of the fork is a little longer to accomidate he bend in the STi shifter lever.




The bushing in the STi and OEM are very close in stiffness. I say it's virtually the same others would argue that it's somewhat stiffer. The first STi one I came across was new and felt stiffer than the old OEM one I took out. I've had a few out now and compared and I think depending on age and batch to batch varience for all intents and purposes they are the same. The KB bushings on the other hand are very stiff almost solid.



As far as the shift lever itself, the KB and STi have pretty much the same throw. The A - B distance shown is what reduces the throw really. How high the knob sits changes the arc of the throw and will contribute too but not nearly as much. The KB sits lower so in the end will have a shorter throw than the STi but I don't think it will be noticable. Because it's shorter it will require more effort than the STi (distance from the fulcrum) but after a bit you don't notice.

These pics are of the second gen KB but the distances are the same:





I think it comes down to personel preference, driving style and possibly tolerance in tranny manufacture. Some people are having problems right off the bat with their tranny others have had no problems. I'm still amazed that I hear that the WRX suffers from the clutch chatter when cold too. My 99 has done this from day one, you think they would have fixed it by now.

All three shifters are good OEM, Stock and STi.
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Old 10-13-2002, 08:57 PM   #9
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i bought the car with the sti ss linkage already installed so i cannot compare it to a stock one while driving. but at a dealership i did sit in a car without the factory ss equipped and tried to feel if the throws were "longer" or felt any different than my shifter and could not notice a difference between that car and mine (however, i just sat in the car and messed with the shifter so it wasn't moving). i think the factory ss felt pretty good, but thought the lever felt too flimsy and shifting into 2nd under hard excelaration always took a tab bit longer than getting into other gears. i just recently installed the kb ss lever + shifter bushing and YES i did feel a difference in the shortness of the throws. i and a friend who helped me do the install made sure to sit there feeling and messing with the shifter so that we would be able to notice the difference when the kb was installed. we both agreed that the throws were a lot shorter and shifting felt "crisper" and more precise. also, under harder exceleration, i've been able to get into 2nd faster/easier and i've been having less instances of trouble getting into reverse. i HONESTLY feel and believe that i'm able to shift faster since i noticed that when i first took the car out right after the install, my gas and clutch work were a little out of sync since i'm so accustomed to the time it takes for me to shift with my former setup. that might not be sustantial evidence but it's a thought. anyways, sorry for the length but i hope this was/will be useful for anyone who wants shorter/notchier, more "mechanical feeling" shifting. kb products are top-notch. peace.

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Old 10-19-2002, 08:27 PM   #10
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I have the STi shifter with the Kartboy bushings also. The STi shifter definitely made a difference, the Kartboy bushings definitely made a difference (I installed them at different times). Considering how often you shift your car, I think it's a worthwhile investment

I also have a Momo air-leather shift knob, I give it high marks as well. It fits the hand much better and is not annoying to use like the stock shift knob is, the Momo feels more like a part of your hand even though it's just a leather/aluminum sphere.

What else makes a huge difference in shift feel is Redline 75W90ns. I was skeptical that a simple differential fluid change could make any difference but it made a huge difference. The shifter feels the same on startup in winter as it does when warmed up during the summer, the Redline fluid is that consistent.
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What else makes a huge difference in shift feel is Redline 75W90ns. I was skeptical that a simple differential fluid change could make any difference but it made a huge difference. The shifter feels the same on startup in winter as it does when warmed up during the summer, the Redline fluid is that consistent.
I put the 70w90ns in my car and I got a grind when shifting from 4 - 5 unless I shifted very slow or double clutched. It could be because my car had 40K on it when I did the change. I switched to the Redline Shockproof and it went away and shifts very nicely.
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I put the 70w90ns in my car and I got a grind when shifting from 4 - 5 unless I shifted very slow or double clutched. It could be because my car had 40K on it when I did the change. I switched to the Redline Shockproof and it went away and shifts very nicely.
Maybe this is what I have too I know I bought what redline recommends for the WRX, I thought that was 75w90ns but I could be wrong...
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Old 11-03-2002, 01:27 AM   #14
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I like the sti short through shifter, works for me
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