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Old 04-11-2010, 11:37 AM   #1
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Please go to the bottom and help me answer my problem...

I now know how to post pics,,,, thanks!!
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:21 PM   #2
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put them on image shack or photobucket or something, then click the little mountainy sun button down in the reply part and put in your image URL
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:25 PM   #3
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put them on image shack or photobucket or something, then click the little mountainy sun button down in the reply part and put in your image URL
To clarify, once you've uploaded the photo to a photo hosting site, you copy and paste the image URL (ends in .jpeg, .jpg, .gif, .tiff, .png etc) onto your post in between "[ i m g ] blahblah.jpeg [ / i m g ]" (no spaces)
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:37 PM   #4
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Get these pics up soon...I'm very curious as to how you did this :P
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Old 04-11-2010, 02:45 PM   #5
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Link to a previous post of his with videos of the Bug.

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:09 PM   #6
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OK.... Think I have it figured out.

This is copied and paste from another forum documenting my build.. Towards the end, I do have some questions for you guys as I am new to both Subaru and Turbo's.

Hope you like my little car!!

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I have had the EJ20T since 2005 as it has been sitting under the worki bench. I have been contemplating this now for a long time, and with the body of the car already being so nice, I was worried about cutting the apron off and opening up the firewall.

Well, I got the grinder out last weekend and started the project. This morning I finally after 3 years have the motor sitting in the car.

I am now going to have to figure out the all the misc. hoses on the motor and the wiring. I am thinking about just calling up OutFront (OutBack) Motorsports and going with thier wiring kits and ECU's.

My plan is to do everything I can to get the radiator to work in the back of the car, just infront of the engine above the trans. I have some Ideas and I think it will work.

Now I have to find a radiator that will fit in the area I have alloted, I am thinking about the Jeep Cherokee rad as it is short and wide.

The trans is currently stock, I have full intensions of replacing it shortly after I get the car up and running. I think I will remove the motor after its running to give it a good cleaning and at the same time, replace the tranny with beefed up Type 1.

I have some pics below of how the DOHC fits with a swingaxle in regards to the body, apron, and fenders.

More to come later, I am not in a big hurry, I as just enjoy tinkering in the garage.

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:13 PM   #7
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:16 PM   #8
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A few more
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After many late nights in the garage, I attemped to start the car yesterday. I have almost everything done except shortening the pan, runing the throttle cable and enclosing the radiator.

Well, I didn't get it started..... Cranks, but nothing else. I have the Stinger from Outback, fuel pressure is good, etc... I thought it was weird, after cranking it off and on yesterday, I never smelled gas.. I am wondering if the injectors are stuck or something. I ran out of time yesterday evening before our dinner plans, and due to my schedule I wont be able to get out and work on it again until next week. I will probably give Outback a call to help diagnose and make sure it isn't the Stinger.

Alright Guys, time for a few videos. Please excuse the poor cell phone video quality..

68 Bug with:
EJ20T Intercooled
Ebay Magnaflow muffler
4.0 Jeep Cherokee Radiator behind the rear seat
Small 205/50/15 Tires, not lowered in the rear, stock subaru oil pan with only about 3" clearance from the ground.
OutFront.com Stinger ECU - Starts great and idles without a problem, but the map that they sent me is wayyyy too rich. I need to go and get a cable so that I can hook the laptop up to in and lean it out...

Today was the first "real" test drive. I took it out for about 30mins. both in town and on the highway. It never even came close to overheating. Keep in mind, I didn't have the decklid or apron on, nor did I have the radiator enclosed.




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Old 04-11-2010, 04:17 PM   #9
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:21 PM   #10
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Well, its out with the old and in with the new........

The story goes like this, before I knew anything about the Subaru motors, I had came across my current Subaru motor I have and bought it. Come to find out with the recent research, it came from an early Legacy and is putting out ~150-165hp. Now the I have the car up and running, it didn't hold a stick to what I thought it should have, I have been on the look out for a newer EJ20T that is packing a punch!!

Well, I came across a 01-02 JDM EJ2O7-T STI Version 7 motor that came out of a WRX STI. For what I've read, it comes from the factory with Forged internals, an 8,250-8,500rpm red line and 280hp in stock form!!!! Needless to say, I bought it, yet I cant complain about the price, it was pretty reasonable!! - Can anyone help me out with this and let me know if this is accurate?

The motor is currently on its way and I should have it mid next week. I hope to have it running within the next few months, we just sold our house and am in the middle of relocating which means our schedules are pretty hetic!! Oh ya, I am planning on swaping the motors and having it running without the wife knowing what Im up to as I haven't told her that I bought another motor.....

So, whats this mean..... I have a nice Legacy EJ20-T motor for sale - lower hp but still respectable (Videos of the motor running are linked above via youtube) and I also have a nice 1835cc with dual Weber Carbs, all chromed engine tin, alternator all for sale... Please let me know if anyone is interested!

Attached are a few pictures of the new motor.

Thanks, Alden

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:24 PM   #11
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I got the new STI motor a couple weeks ago and finally had some time yesterday to fiddle with the swap of the older EJ20T for the newer EJ20T!! After about 4hrs, I got the one out of the car, all the non needed stuff on the new motor removed, and swapped common parts from the old to the new motor. It is now sitting there waiting for me to throw the new STI into the car. I will have to do some wiring as there are some small differences.....
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:27 PM   #12
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Well, I was able to get a bit more work done this past weekend.... Got the STI motor installed with some minor things to hook up still.

Oh, I got a header off Ebay for $100 shipped to my door, looking on the net, lots of guys dont have too good of things to say about the no name ebay headers; but I must say, I am impressed with the quality and fitment of it!!

http://stores.ebay.com/OptionImport-...34Q2ec0Q2em322

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:32 PM   #13
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Well, I have found that it is going to be very difficult to tuck the ACVS below the apron. I have even added another shim to the rear body mount trying to leverage as much room as I can below the rear apron. It is now to the point that I dont like the tire to fender clearance and the way the car looks. I am planning to get taller rear tires, to decrease the amount of room from the fender but also to gain some from the header to ground. The pics below have the apron and lid on, but its not truely on yet. I am not happy with the fitment of apron yet, but we are getting there.

I still have some wiring to complete, but I dont forsee that posponing the test drive by too much longer!!!

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:33 PM   #14
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Well, on Monday, I finally had some time to get to the garage and work on my little project... Long story short - this thing is stupid fast!!!! It is going to eat up the stock tranny in no time! I only had a chance to take it down the road and back, maybe a 1/2 mile total, and was able to get on it some, yet it pulled so hard in 3rd gear! I am impressed!

I am running the Stinger ECU, I have the idle screw on the intake backed out all the way, yet it is idling at 2000rpm. Can anyone help me and tell me why? I suspected possibly a vacuum leak on the intake, but I cant seem to find anything. I have never owned a turbo car/motor before, what would a characteristic be to idle high?

More pics and video's to come in the future!!

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I didn't have much time to diagnose this the other day, but if anything, it might just be the good old throttle being stuck a tad bit open. I will specifically disconect the throttle cable and see what I get. Back to the basics!

I also plan on spraying the interface of the intake to the block with some carb cleaner or WD-40 and see if that changes anything.

I did go and get two new tires for the rear yesterday to gain a bit more ground clearance for the exhaust. I had the 205/50/15's and went with 205/65/15's. We will see what it looks like soon enough.
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Old 04-11-2010, 04:36 PM   #15
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Well, after one heck long of a day, I was able to drive the bad boy 2hrs south to our new home. I had a few hic cups along the way, but I will get into that later!

Here is a pic as we were getting ready to roll out..... It now has 225-65-15 rear tires which looks alot better than what I thought it was going to look like.. These were needed to gain additional clearance of the exhaust-pavement. The stance ended pretty decent. Second, I ran the full ride with the laptop next to me to monitor the vitals of the engine! More to come later!

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I now have the car back at home, but it has developed a few issues, one, a oil leak that I can tackle when time allows, but the larger issue is possibly the BOV??

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:46 PM   #16
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I will try to describe my little issue the best that I can with the hopes that I can get some feedback as to what to check.. I have never owned a turboed car before, so I am a bit new to this, yet I'm not stupid....

During accel, once it starts to build boost and pull fairly hard, at about 4500rpm - 5000rpm, it just falls on its face.. I cant tell if its the BOV or not, but I am not to sure what else it would be. When it falls on its face, a split second later, it up and goes again, but then jacks up all over again.

Now, If I'm easy on it, it will rev out to ehh 6000rpm or so for example, then when I put my foot into it, it goes for about 1sec then falls on its face again just like described above, as if it builds enough boost that the bov can hold.

I bought the BOV off ebay, do they go bad? Can I adjust it "harder or softer" and get this problem figured out?

Attached below is the pic of the BOV, I think its a Greddy type S bov.

Let me know your thoughts guys! Thanks for the help.


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Old 04-11-2010, 05:49 PM   #17
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awesome! ive seen other vdubs with these swaps. good work.
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Old 04-11-2010, 06:26 PM   #18
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damn this is a sick build!!!!!
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:02 AM   #19
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this is just my non expert .02 .. I was under the impression a conversion is needed for a normal BOV which is why is comes with a Recirculating Bypass Valve from the factory but again thats just my newbish .02.
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Impressive build
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:36 AM   #21
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Sounds more like tuning to me. You can cap the BOV off and see if you still have the problem. I dont like the type S, had too many problems with it. Adjusting the BOV hard will help to keep it shut. You have a boost gauge?
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:40 AM   #22
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awesome swap!
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:11 PM   #23
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Sounds more like tuning to me. You can cap the BOV off and see if you still have the problem. I dont like the type S, had too many problems with it. Adjusting the BOV hard will help to keep it shut. You have a boost gauge?
I can do both, crank the bov down to "hard" and see if it makes a difference, or even block it off for a short test drive?

No, I know that I need one, but I dont have a Boost guage yet....

Any other ideas?
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Old 04-12-2010, 01:47 PM   #24
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Ok, I went out and started playing with the BOV, I guess I have a pretty stupid question to ask, there are two nipples for the hoses on the BOV, which goes where??

Out of curosity, I swapped the hoses from one to the other, and it ran great, all the way to redline!!! But it didn't seem to pull as hard as it did earlier before it would fall on its face.

What can you tell me?

Thanks!
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are you running the STI ECM?
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