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Old 04-11-2010, 07:38 PM   #1
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Anyone ever broke a wheel like this before? Any input on if the company is likely to cover it under some kind of warranty?

Broke going around a big sweeping turn at a lapping day today
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:23 PM   #2
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Wheels are wear items. Probably just time to throw all 4 away and start with a new set. I know the BMW guys like Kosei's because they're cheap but, they have to watch them for cracking too. I was at VIR once and a Porsche ripped the center section loose from the rest of the wheel on track. It does happen.

Were these powder coated or stock painted?

As for warranty, can't hurt to try. If you tell them you were on a race track, I'll bet you get nothing.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:48 PM   #3
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The wheels are only on their second set of tires, and they are stock painted. Hopefully they'll help out
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:58 PM   #4
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:01 PM   #5
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had four SSR comps that I tracked a lot. then had them powder coated and one by one they started cracking like the pic above. one rim broke three spokes at once on track coming down from 100mph in a slight bend. stayed on the track but felt like the wheel came off.
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:15 PM   #6
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Damn, luckily only one spoke broke, the weird thing is that I was going around a fairly large sweeping turn and wasn't loading up the car all that much when it broke. I didn't realize it happened right away, just heard a pop and thought it was a rock. After I drove into town for lunch and felt the shaking in the steering wheel I checked the torque on the lugs and noticed the spoke. Luckily I caught it before hitting the track again. I can't imagine how fast they would have broken on race rubber.
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Old 04-11-2010, 09:58 PM   #7
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had four SSR comps that I tracked a lot. then had them powder coated and one by one they started cracking like the pic above.
There's been a bunch of discussion on the S2000 forums about powder coating and wheel cracking. Some people believe it, some claim it's BS. I think it depends on who does the job though.

I had a set of FN01-C's on my WRX and never had an issue with them on track. Drove on them for 2 years. I wonder if this was started with mechanical damage like a bump against a curb or something.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:10 PM   #8
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They've never had a curb hit, but they have had quite a few track days under their belt. If people are worried about the curing temps of powder coating (500 degrees F?) Then my brake temps that day are right around there. I had an infrared thermometer on the rotors showing over 500 degrees, and we were running 15 minute sessions. The wheel broke at the end of the first session though.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:28 PM   #9
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Now are these wheels meant for the track? Looks like they were made for street use, I doubt 5z will cover it after all that heat. You never know, give them a call or send them an e-mail with the pic.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:36 PM   #10
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They said on their website that they were a popular drift wheel, and I see plenty of them at the track. I know a few people who have used them and bent a few, but never broken them like that. The name rota comes to mind when I see something like this.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:51 PM   #11
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They've never had a curb hit, but they have had quite a few track days under their belt. If people are worried about the curing temps of powder coating (500 degrees F?) Then my brake temps that day are right around there. I had an infrared thermometer on the rotors showing over 500 degrees, and we were running 15 minute sessions. The wheel broke at the end of the first session though.
500deg is pretty low for rotors, unless you're talking 500C.

Either way, I can assure your wheels aren't getting anywhere near that temperature, particularly not out there where the spoke broke.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:08 PM   #12
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Yeah, that was after a little cool down run, and the aluminum rim should be a pretty good heat sink anyways, so idk if you could even blame it on the heat. It was probably just bad casting, thats why im hoping they help me out some way.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:22 PM   #13
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My wheels get hot from heat soaking after a session but, not really while on track. Too much airflow. I doubt my wheels get much over 200F.

If you have a bunch of track days on them and considering they're cheap cast wheels. I go back to what I said earlier. Maybe it's just time to replace them.

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You never know, give them a call or send them an e-mail with the pic.
Even if they were made for the track. I've never heard of a warranty that applied to track parts. Well, other than a Quaife diff.
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Old 04-12-2010, 11:38 AM   #14
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aka, Stuff Breaks (and it's not always Somebody Else's Fault)
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Old 04-12-2010, 12:31 PM   #15
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There's been a bunch of discussion on the S2000 forums about powder coating and wheel cracking. Some people believe it, some claim it's BS. I think it depends on who does the job though.

I had a set of FN01-C's on my WRX and never had an issue with them on track. Drove on them for 2 years. I wonder if this was started with mechanical damage like a bump against a curb or something.
I hear ya that it probably depends on who does the job. I would not take the chance to see if I picked the right person for the job, just have the rims painted. Paint can get you closer to the color/tone/finish then PC.
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Old 04-12-2010, 03:49 PM   #16
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my friend broke an advan on the track and they replaced it.

additionally, we've been powdercoating wheels and running them on the track for years, and as far as I know have not had one break. Although they're pretty exclusively enkei nt03+ms, which are pretty strong to begin with.
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:09 PM   #17
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On the powdercoating debate, NT03's or FN01R-C's aren't going to crack because of being baked in an oven because they're cast. Its forged wheels like SSR Competitions or Volks that are at risk.
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:24 PM   #18
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I just think the cast wheels will crack...whenever. They're not that strong to begin with.

I just got a set of TR Motorsports wheels for the M3. They weren't marketed as Enkies but, I knew they were because they use "MAT" technogy. Sure enough, they have Enkie casting marks.
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Old 04-12-2010, 04:35 PM   #19
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I iwould email them with pictures.. see what they say.. if they cover it.. thats great.. if not i dont know.. from the pictures it doesnt look like you hit anything.
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Old 04-13-2010, 01:23 AM   #20
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Well I talked to the distributor I ordered the replacement wheel from, he gave me a return shipping label so they can take a look at it for warranty purposes, the thing that sucks is that I wanted to keep it for a trophy
Oh well, hopefully it'll save me $210
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Old 04-13-2010, 02:41 AM   #21
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^ now your asking for too much.. of course they won't let you keep it.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:03 AM   #22
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I just wonder if they'll send it back to me if they decide they aren't going to warranty it...
I'm not concerned with not getting it back if I get it warrantied.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:31 AM   #23
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Yep. Here's mine, Summer of '07.



There were no signs of imperfections, dents or dings in the wheel. It happened at an autocross. I had autocrossed on those wheels about a year and a half. The set of wheels was bought from a friend for his work. He works as the Department of Transportation and said he could use it for testing to find out what was the fault. The check they gave me I bought a set of FN01R-C 17x10s. After snooping around and getting an answer I was told that it was a casting flaw specific to that wheel, as the other 3 show no signs of fatique.
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Old 04-13-2010, 10:41 AM   #24
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^Well at least im not alone! Did you try talking to 5zeigen at all?
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Well for 3 years, I was alone! Interesting results thou. Mine were 17x9 +43s. Just curious if sizing is anything. I did talk to 5zigen's USA distributor and they said to ship that broken wheel to them, and they would send me another one. It got messy when that size/color wasn't available anymore. This is when the ODOT guy asked to buy them as a complete set, giving me $ to buy the 17x10s.
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