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Old 06-18-2012, 09:46 AM   #1651
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This is what i will say... I have owned my Evo with 400whp for 3 years and beat the crap out of it for all three years....done multiple track events...it has never burnt a drop of oil or had any issues.

I mean 0 issues or problems in 3 years. Needless to say i owned 2 differnt Subaru platforms and went through multiple engines and frustrations.

I personally will never own another Subaru unless it is a NA outback...or something along this lines.
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Old 06-18-2012, 11:30 AM   #1652
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Your 100% right, but the EVO dominates in all aspects, we can take it to the road course and at the end of the day the STi will be getting towed home with a broken motor lmfaoo
It's funny how you guy's make claims. But when me an my friend always went at it when he had his evo8 I would leave him in the dust every pull we did. Idc what you have evo or sti. If your winning the race you have more power then the other car... plain and simple..

The best thing is I always had less mod's then him. He always tried to one up me. Go figure right he's got an evo!

My stock motor lasted great at 512whp would've lasted longer with better pistons. Yea you need to pull a whole subaru motor to take it apart but I don't have to pay someone to pull my motor's so who cares.

I bought my car new so won't be ditching it anytime soon. I had a 7 year loan an now own my car tittle in hand.

Did I mention that evo threw a rod threw the block because I was going 11.6 all day on pump 93 50% meth and he was running 12's with cam's fp green 100% meth. All I had was a laggy turbo.

And my friends evo8 witch went threw 3 respectable tuners not going to say names but that car ended up burning oil. But I did read they improved the ring's on the evo in 04 iirc.

So if you really claim domination put up some cash. BTw you gotta drive your own ****..

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Old 06-18-2012, 11:40 AM   #1653
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Anyone can throw a 35r on there car and make it fast in a straight line for 3-6 second pulls.

The difference is reliability and how long a motor can take the abuse. Don't get me wrong I love how my Subaru sounded.....but it wasnt worth a motor every 15-20k.
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Old 06-18-2012, 12:19 PM   #1654
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This is what i will say... I have owned my Evo with 400whp for 3 years and beat the crap out of it for all three years....done multiple track events...it has never burnt a drop of oil or had any issues.

I mean 0 issues or problems in 3 years. Needless to say i owned 2 differnt Subaru platforms and went through multiple engines and frustrations.

I personally will never own another Subaru unless it is a NA outback...or something along this lines.
some owners on both ends have luck and others have no luck whatsoever. The grass is always greener...for me, the amount of power I want(~500-600wheel) will be much better suited for 6-8 cylinders. A pushed 4 cyl is not fun on the wallet, it does seem like the evo guys have WAY higher reliability with their built motors, as for oem, both crap the bed at 550 crank horsepower, in no time.

On both forums, u see some guys saying, "i've had 500+whp for three+ years." It's all about preference. It seems like nobody thinks that FI mustang and corvette guys don't blow up, huge misconception. If u race or go for huge power, u will break, regardless of platform.

having a good tune and checking the tune/retune and spark plug, air filter, fuel filter, quality of fuel, and "nut and bolting" all boost lines, turbo&ic hardware is underrated.
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Old 06-18-2012, 02:09 PM   #1655
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Anyone can throw a 35r on there car and make it fast in a straight line for 3-6 second pulls.

The difference is reliability and how long a motor can take the abuse. Don't get me wrong I love how my Subaru sounded.....but it wasnt worth a motor every 15-20k.
For sure but I was daily driving my car.. Sometimes on the street with racegas witch jr warned me was at high injector duty. But I didn't resolve that I actually went to a higher flowing exhaust after the fact.

Yea checking the tune will help also checking the spark plugs. You can hide detonation in a tune but it will always appear on the spark plug's..

Now It's just a weekend car. until I can find a gc to put the built motor in and eventually the sti will go back to stock and be sold for a supra or something rather.Yea a 4g63 is a iron inline block It's pretty obvious it's a strong base, But the inline 2jz is so much nicer Why stay at the current level of a subaru? after all it is supposed to be an upgrade..

Stu said his issue was "The valve relives on his pistons were not large enough" But then he also said he had gsc 280 avcs cam's. IIRC he said his motor bent the valve. Also if you search it's pretty obvious that set up is not recommended without being clay'd. I don't see how Stu can blame any blown motors on Subaru. You opted for an aggressive setup.
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Old 06-18-2012, 03:17 PM   #1656
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I guess it is all into what you are in too.....

I always have said if you like highway straights and doing 3,4,5th pulls you have picked the wrong platform. I agee the 2jz is a superior motor and makes huge HP for straight lines.

Absolutly worthless around turns .......but great if you a pointed straight.

I myself like turning more than going straight....so i am less concerned about the straigh line performance than i am that a car handles like it is on rails, and that can reliably go around the track multiple times...weekends...years and not break.

The Poor Subaru will break pulling it off the trailer(sorry...i saw it happen once)....so i had to say it.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:25 PM   #1657
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I guess it is all into what you are in too.....

I always have said if you like highway straights and doing 3,4,5th pulls you have picked the wrong platform. I agee the 2jz is a superior motor and makes huge HP for straight lines.

Absolutly worthless around turns .......but great if you a pointed straight.

I myself like turning more than going straight....so i am less concerned about the straigh line performance than i am that a car handles like it is on rails, and that can reliably go around the track multiple times...weekends...years and not break.

The Poor Subaru will break pulling it off the trailer(sorry...i saw it happen once)....so i had to say it.


You obviously had some mechanical issues with your Subaru's and those you have seen. I to like turning that's actually why I picked the Subaru with it's low center of gravity and plenty of torque it's obvious when set up correctly it is a handling monster. IIRC Phil from ET posted faster lap times around summit point then ams did in there Evo. And Phil had less power and money into the car then AMS did. IIRC the Subaru also has closer to a 50/50 weight distribution.
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Old 06-18-2012, 07:55 PM   #1658
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I have followed Phil and ET throughout the years....yes it a fast car. It is set up well...

and gets a rebuilt motor at a undisclosed rate.

And yes myself and 75 percent of the community. It is no secret that the Ej 25 is a weak platform for big HP and longevity.

If you notice the people that make big power and say it it a great platform is either associated with a shop or has the


know with all to pull their engine at any point any rebuild it. For the majority of owners that dont have this luxury, it costs huge

money to maintain the hobby and dump money into something that will break.

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Old 06-18-2012, 09:28 PM   #1659
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I have followed Phil and ET throughout the years....yes it a fast car. It is set up well...

and gets a rebuilt motor at a undisclosed rate.

And yes myself and 75 percent of the community. It is no secret that the Ej 25 is a weak platform for big HP and longevity.

If you notice the people that make big power and say it it a great platform is either associated with a shop or has the


know with all to pull their engine at any point any rebuild it. For the majority of owners that dont have this luxury, it costs huge

money to maintain the hobby and dump money into something that will break.

Understandable, I here many example "crystalimpreza" has gotten many miles on his engines. Typically you get 30k miles out of a sleeved motor before it needing ring's seem's to me everything else seem's to hold up fine. "unless your not keeping it simple" This is if you want a low 10 second car. But with anything if your at that level expect **** to break Idc what kinda car you have.

The community has come a long way before 10's and 11's was fast now people are going faster. I'd like to think a built motor at 600whp would be fine with meticulous maintenance to be able to reach 30k miles before burning oil. That's fine with me. Of course many thing's come to play here some will have this ability some won't. "KEEP IT SIMPLE" If you think about it all motor's will drop compression with this amount of abuse no matter what it is. Especially if you have a race motor with higher clearances. Don't cheep out on the important part's and you will have a decent suabaru.

I just read threw some of your threads and the one with the rod knock issue you had. Did you find the issue with that engine? 11.9 afr is to lean even if you have meth. Let me just say meth injection is garbage and a band aid to making power you want reliability don't run meth. if you ran lean it wouldn't cause a rod bearing failure. ether your oil relive valve got stuck or something else had gone wrong. Did you have an oil pressure gauge? Seem's like you didn't do any research before going for your goals in the subaru sorry to hear you had such issues. But this doesn't mean we all will. I hate how people assume that without actually having the knowledge of what you have, you assume it's just junk. Why even mod car's if your not gonna do it right?

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Old 06-19-2012, 04:59 PM   #1660
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spoolinsti05, I think you mad you bought the wrong car. Hands down a Evo is better car for 1/4 miles and track! It's been proven what is faster in a 1/4 miles and a track.
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This is my whole point.....

For money spent that equals HP and reliable HP the Evo with trump the Subaru every day
of the week...and even on Sunday.

When i was in the Subaru game it was 2006-2008. Alot has changed since then....but what has not changed is spun bearing and built motors not lasting.

It not rocket science....its simple.


A open deck block will not be as strong as a closed deck.

A flat 4 design will not perform as well as a inline design.

I am not a smart man.....or have any degree in mechanics...but i still know this.
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hahaha....

Ok...ok...
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spoolinsti05, I think you mad you bought the wrong car. Hands down a Evo is better car for 1/4 miles and track! It's been proven what is faster in a 1/4 miles and a track.
considering the durability of a sti transmission I picked the sti I could have bought any car at the time.

Everyone Knows its a drivers race. For The most part. I Built my car as a weekend car to go low 10s or better. I'm happy with my choice car looks way better nicer interior. And My cars not a shoe box full weight so.

You wanna talk drag cars lol your building 4 bangers. because I have about 5 4 bolt 350s kicking around a built 327ci, 409ci a 440 air grabber road runner tons of 318ci I can go on. 65 gasser in the works.
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This is my whole point.....

For money spent that equals HP and reliable HP the Evo with trump the Subaru every day
of the week...and even on Sunday.

When i was in the Subaru game it was 2006-2008. Alot has changed since then....but what has not changed is spun bearing and built motors not lasting.

It not rocket science....its simple.

A open deck block will not be as strong as a closed deck.

A flat 4 design will not perform as well as a inline design.

I am not a smart man.....or have any degree in mechanics...but i still know this.
Idk If you ask stu he has already been threw two transmissions.

If you wanna talk about going fast in a straight line look above.

I'm Saying mod for mod we aren't far behind on making power and running good times. It really does come down to driver and whos making more power. Idc what you read or see on tv shows. Especially if you have a rsti gc8 brighton w/e.
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This is my whole point.....

For money spent that equals HP and reliable HP the Evo with trump the Subaru every day
of the week...and even on Sunday.

When i was in the Subaru game it was 2006-2008. Alot has changed since then....but what has not changed is spun bearing and built motors not lasting.

It not rocket science....its simple.

A open deck block will not be as strong as a closed deck.

A flat 4 design will not perform as well as a inline design.

I am not a smart man.....or have any degree in mechanics...but i still know this.

I don't have an open deck block. Same block as stu but my mains are pinned.

If your talking about a wrx then yes I agree. not Everyone has bearing issues btw. My stock bearings looked great when I took them out even spinning to 7800 @35psi doing 5th gear pulls every day. I'd Say I've had good experiences so far.
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^^^^ I agree with you. Some people have better luck than others.

I think there are positives and negatives to each vehicle. The interior of the STI and creature comforts are FAR better than the Evo. The EVO's ride is harsh and bumpy where as the STI is more comfortable. For a DD the STI hands down.....stock for stock.


I would venture to say the reason you have had good experiences is because you have built the block and sleeved and pinned....and mostly you have a great tuner....or have done a great job tuning it yourself.

In the EJ platform it really comes down to the tune...It is the deciding factor on whether your 15k block will last 200 miles or 20 thousand miles.
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^^^^ I agree with you. Some people have better luck than others.

I think there are positives and negatives to each vehicle. The interior of the STI and creature comforts are FAR better than the Evo. The EVO's ride is harsh and bumpy where as the STI is more comfortable. For a DD the STI hands down.....stock for stock.

I would venture to say the reason you have had good experiences is because you have built the block and sleeved and pinned....and mostly you have a great tuner....or have done a great job tuning it yourself.

In the EJ platform it really comes down to the tune...It is the deciding factor on whether your 15k block will last 200 miles or 20 thousand miles.
considering I have under 12k into my whole car that's suspension wheels and everything dvd head unit, sub, amp, I'm happy for what I spent.

Most people in the evo world cant go 10s on that budget if you think about labor and everything. Subarus maybe 11s for that money. And jr tunes my Subaru.

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Junior is a great tuner.

For the average Joe like myself a sleeved block..pinned and all the goodies .....here is the key (with all the labor) would be around 15k when it is tuned all said and done.

I want to thank you for having a great discussion with me concerning the two platforms. You obviously are mature and can have a adult conversation unlike the majority of this website.

I applaud you good sir!!!!
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You don't see guys that went from subaru's to evo's go back to subaru's very often for a reason.

Building a good evo motor for big power is way cheaper then a subaru, can tell you that.

The only thing about the STI I miss is cruise control and the boxer sound of inefficiency.
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Old 06-21-2012, 11:32 AM   #1671
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I would agree with that statement 100%.

I guess it really depends on if its your DD or not. My evo has no AC and it terrible rough on the some roads.

Now on the track....it feels glued around turns and the windows are down so who cares about AC.
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Not that I'm going to argue...........or maybe I am.

I had more than 3 years on my 400whp 2.0 WRX before you even joined this forum. I talk to EVO guys all day long, I own an Evo X as well.


Here is what gets me fired up. 400whp is weak sauce......

My WRX makes over 600whp and breaks from time to time. The last motor lasted ~12000 miles of abuse. I get so tired of hearing Evo guys that make 300-400whp tell me how it sucks that my Subaru broke again and if I had an Evo it would be fine. Let me tell you, I bought my WRX in 2001. I've posted on here for over a decade. I've went from being a kid who was just trying to learn, to an adult with experience. I can't count ON 2 HANDS the amount of "friends" that bought the sweet EVO when it came out and modded it. Today I don't know of a single one that is still on the road. Maybe it was a grenaded xfer case, crank pickup issue with motor dominating knock, nickle and dimed to death, or whatever you want to say.


My point is that if you want to be the man it comes with a high price, and it doesn't matter what the platform is.

You can argue with me and tell me I'm wrong, that's okay. But you will just be another passer by in a few years with a broken car and wallet.


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This is what i will say... I have owned my Evo with 400whp for 3 years and beat the crap out of it for all three years....done multiple track events...it has never burnt a drop of oil or had any issues.

I mean 0 issues or problems in 3 years. Needless to say i owned 2 differnt Subaru platforms and went through multiple engines and frustrations.

I personally will never own another Subaru unless it is a NA outback...or something along this lines.
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Your completely right!!!!

Not here to argue and beat my chest. Just stating my opinion from observations I have made from my personal experiences.
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Not that I'm going to argue...........or maybe I am.

I had more than 3 years on my 400whp 2.0 WRX before you even joined this forum. I talk to EVO guys all day long, I own an Evo X as well.


Here is what gets me fired up. 400whp is weak sauce......

My WRX makes over 600whp and breaks from time to time. The last motor lasted ~12000 miles of abuse. I get so tired of hearing Evo guys that make 300-400whp tell me how it sucks that my Subaru broke again and if I had an Evo it would be fine. Let me tell you, I bought my WRX in 2001. I've posted on here for over a decade. I've went from being a kid who was just trying to learn, to an adult with experience. I can't count ON 2 HANDS the amount of "friends" that bought the sweet EVO when it came out and modded it. Today I don't know of a single one that is still on the road. Maybe it was a grenaded xfer case, crank pickup issue with motor dominating knock, nickle and dimed to death, or whatever you want to say.


My point is that if you want to be the man it comes with a high price, and it doesn't matter what the platform is.

You can argue with me and tell me I'm wrong, that's okay. But you will just be another passer by in a few years with a broken car and wallet.
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They both have their fair share of problems.

At the end of the day when I'm racing, the evo platform has and will serve me better for the price I've paid.
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