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Old 04-16-2010, 04:29 PM   #26
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I was there when Sierra came out to their 1st event. Where were you? behind the keyboard?

thanks for looking, please discuss respectfully and i will reply properly, i didnt event read your whole post after i saw the "%101 BS" part.
I was right there racing against them if your referring to the first time you probably saw them on track at Willow Springs last year.

Your inaccurate post regarding Sierra Sierra was respectful?? I responded accordingly.

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Old 04-16-2010, 04:33 PM   #27
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^ agreed on the part that sierra sierra has been testing the car for a very long time.

i was at autoclub speedway.. when they blew a head.. a cosworth head.. and in 2 hrs there was a brand new head on a truck that came in. Eric Hsu of cosworth is always out at the track when the car runs.

but im not taking anything away from the sierra sierra car.. its obviously and awesome car and setup.
Yup they have been through their fair share of issues, much the same as pretty much every Unlimited class car does especially one on an accelerated development curve such as SSE, granted they have the budget to do things a little different than most but hey good for them I don't know any other team that wouldn't be more than happy to have a decent budget.

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Old 04-16-2010, 04:34 PM   #28
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thanks for looking, please discuss respectfully and i will reply properly, i didnt event read your whole post after i saw the "%101 BS" part.
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Old 04-16-2010, 04:35 PM   #29
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Old 04-16-2010, 05:56 PM   #30
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I was right there racing against them if your referring to the first time you probably saw them on track at Willow Springs last year.

Your inaccurate post regarding Sierra Sierra was respectful?? I responded accordingly.

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ehhehe I see how long has it been since then? not even 12 months..

How long had the HKS EVO been around? 6 years?

Please dont get me wrong, I'm not a fan of HKS EVO, my favorite is the CyberEVO The dentist

you said "accelerated development curve such as SSE, granted they have the budget"

I said "They didnt run much and got to that level at one step with a huge budget"

1 year is not enough prep time imo.. and I said they are pushing the motor hard to do those times = engine problems..

if you combine all this, there is nothing disrespectful, I'm not talking the way you are, but simply stating my opinion.

We shall see at world time attack challenge, AU will be pretty hot in may

edit: I dont think HKS EVO is running anyways most of their head engineers quit.. JUN head engineer opened up his own shop.. did you know HKS EVO was running on motec? it will be fun this year, sierra has a chance but racing out of homeland is different story.. and thats what i meant with HKS coming here beating the record / keeping it for 2-3 years..
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Old 04-16-2010, 06:08 PM   #31
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ehhehe I see how long has it been since then? not even 12 months..

How long had the HKS EVO been around? 6 years?

Please dont get me wrong, I'm not a fan of HKS EVO, my favorite is the CyberEVO The dentist

you said "accelerated development curve such as SSE, granted they have the budget"

I said "They didnt run much and got to that level at one step with a huge budget"

1 year is not enough prep time imo.. and I said they are pushing the motor hard to do those times = engine problems..

if you combine all this, there is nothing disrespectful, I'm not talking the way you are, but simply stating my opinion.

We shall see at world time attack challenge, AU will be pretty hot in may
Ok a simple question seeing as your restating everything based off of God only knows what.

I said accelerated learning curve also coupled with the FACT they do more on track testing than any other US based team, my question to you based on your saying they don't run much, how much testing do they do????

They are not pushing the motor to produce those times, it's not a drag strip is it??? Like all teams in the top tier obviously they are running the motor as hard as they think they can but do you honestly think that is what is behind the times they lay down at the track???

There are so many custom one off geometry pieces on the SSE car it's not even funny, do you think they just had a metric ton of billet hanging around and got bored?? They tested, tested and tested found short comings and developed, designed and implemented solutions for them.

The suspension and aero work on that car is first class (Formula Atlantic suspension custom fabricated to work on the Evo, 5 way driver adjustable sway bars, one off dry carbon aero parts everywhere!).

The CT230 car has not been around 6 years when it ran over here, it has been running for roughly 2 years and was taken from the development work previously put into the black carbon HKS car that lost a battle with a tire wall. The fact that SSE has built a car that is capable of putting times down as fast as it has in a 16 month development period is astounding (it was running and being tested before being seen at Willow Springs last year).

Not sure about what ECU the HKS car runs, last time I saw it in person it was running a HKS F-Con pro unit. I'm not sure that what ECU a car running is important anyway as it's more to do with the nut behind the keyboard than actual electronics and not like Motec is the holy grail of EMS anyway, it's good yes but there are other premium units as good if not better depending on feature set required.

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Old 04-16-2010, 07:06 PM   #32
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^^ they have to do testing until they stop replacing headgaskets & cylinder heads but oh well, you think differently.. They are experienced with setting up the chassis, drivetrain, suspension, but not the 4G63. Thats why they outsourced. These are all my opinions. I'm not american nor japanese it might take you time to get what i'm saying, as this is not my 1st language lol but im sure it makes sense to some people to think slow enough to understand what im saying rather than jumping to quick conclusions...

nice talking to you, lets meet again after the AU time attack and discuss some more..
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Old 04-16-2010, 07:23 PM   #33
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^^ they have to do testing until they stop replacing headgaskets & cylinder heads but oh well, you think differently.. They are experienced with setting up the chassis, drivetrain, suspension, but not the 4G63. Thats why they outsourced. These are all my opinions. I'm not american nor japanese it might take you time to get what i'm saying, as this is not my 1st language lol but im sure it makes sense to some people to think slow enough to understand what im saying rather than jumping to quick conclusions...

nice talking to you, lets meet again after the AU time attack and discuss some more..
Your sarcasm is noted, let me say this build your Evo or your WRX into something that can compete with cars like SSE then you can **** on their accomplishments until then carry on running stock street car times and making up assumptions on others.

Your aware that when you say they outsource for the motor that not only are the motors built and prepared by Cosworth but so is all the tuning and setup for the PI system running the car right?

Opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one but until you present some facts and not some internet hearsay it matters not to me, I have nothing to do with SSE but do speak to the owner a fair amount and chatted with half his team this past weekend in Phoenix.

FWIW when your capable of putting together a platform that is able to run times as fast as SSE is you'll understand that breaking things is pretty much common as the stresses involved in all area's of a unibody's car makeup are really not conducive with being pushed as hard as they are. Yes the 4G63 has been around for a while and plenty of folks are making 800-900HP with them but none of those folks are running them in a thermal stress loaded condition such as a track car.

Why would rehashing this conversation make any difference after the Sydney event next month, are you running a car or going or something? Whatever the outcome is out in Sydney it will be down to who's car is reliable on that day and given this is motorsports anyone is able to have an off day I'll judge my thoughts on teams like SSE from there continued performance over time not one result.

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Old 04-16-2010, 08:59 PM   #34
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^^^ I wish I could build my WRX to that level but dont have the budget.. Its still a street class car, all i want to do with is to run 1:55 at button to beat the street class record..we shall see..

yes i want to go really bad


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Old 04-18-2010, 06:52 AM   #35
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I was there when Sierra came out to their 1st event. Where were you? behind the keyboard?
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I can provide you one letter hint, "L". Google first before you decide to denigrate someone.

For the outsouring part, you sure know even formula one cars are using cosworth, right?

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Old 04-19-2010, 11:18 AM   #36
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I can provide you one letter hint, "L". Google first before you decide to denigrate someone.

For the outsouring part, you sure know even formula one cars are using cosworth, right?

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all i asked was where he was lol

if you read his comments, you will see who denigrates who, but this arguement was over..

my comment to your f1 fact is: UK made vs US made but please dont make a big deal out of this..I'm also a cosworth dealer, I know their products well enough.
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