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Old 04-17-2010, 11:07 AM   #26
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Because I've broken mine with 350 whp.
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Old 04-17-2010, 01:50 PM   #27
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wow, crazy. alright. I will keep that in mind!
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Old 05-01-2010, 06:54 PM   #28
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AVO turbos have performed poorly in use with our engines in the legacys and WRX's.

Our trannys are stronger than the 07 WRX trans so your HP numbers should be safe as long as you drive and do things sensible, any trans will break if you sit there clutch dumping at 4k rpm.

you could go front mount and use any old style 20g prolly 800cc injectors, and good tune.

any old 18g and run e85 and probably 1200+cc injs (consult with tuner on this one) (also probably much more than 350whp and more TQ than you can imagine)

or go process west top mount, BNR SuperCars built 18G get EWG and meth tune.

or PW top mount and BNR 20G and prolly get close to 350whp or just under with 800cc injs.

personally im running BNR 18g, with PW top mount, 750cc injs, AEM CAI, TXS catless TBE, good tune at 20psi and getting 335whp 360wtq. FUN car.
Really?????

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Old 05-04-2010, 06:48 AM   #29
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I had a 08 hatch, mod list:
Cobb UP
Cobb DP
Borla Catback
AMR Big MAF CAI
Perrin Topmount intercooler
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that got me 224hp to wheels/forgot torque

I would recommend to get these upgrades +bigger turbo w/ injectors, fuel pump, AOS, upgraded oil pickup(for safety), turbo inlet tube to start and see what that gets you. Should be around your mark depending on turbo.
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:33 PM   #30
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at 600 HP you DEFINITELY need to upgrade your internals along with a LOT of other things. Back to the thread though...

I don't know crap about E85 and I'm sure there is a thread on here somewhere. Can someone send me in the right direction on the low down of E85?
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1729586

Theres some E85 info for you.

If you want to run E85 on your setup, you'd have to change the usual suspects. FP (walboro), Injectors (at least 1000cc, I'd recommend 2000cc if you have the money, never have to upgrade again), and of course a tune. A td06 8cm (or the 10cm Blouch) 20g should get you close to the numbers you want with water/meth, E85, or race gas on almost any dyno, and well over on dynojets.

As for other upgrades handling that power, defintely reccomend suspensions upgrades. Swaybars, either coilovers (if money allows), or a strut and spring combination. Brake upgrades could probably be kept to a minimum since you already have four pots in the front (unless you plan on tracking the car), stainless steal brake lines, better brake fluid, maybe better pads if money allows.
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Old 05-04-2010, 12:50 PM   #31
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Get ready to spend some money! Go 20g 8CM hotside with supporting mods as suggested. This will get you there.
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:48 PM   #32
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I had a 08 hatch, mod list:
Cobb UP
Cobb DP
Borla Catback
AMR Big MAF CAI
Perrin Topmount intercooler
Perrin Recirc BOV
AP Protune
that got me 224hp to wheels/forgot torque

I would recommend to get these upgrades +bigger turbo w/ injectors, fuel pump, AOS, upgraded oil pickup(for safety), turbo inlet tube to start and see what that gets you. Should be around your mark depending on turbo.
your tuner either sucked, or your car was tuned for a max of what 11 psi?
those numbers make no sense. stock 08s were putting down over 200whp on dynos, this led everyone to believe that subaru lied like crazy when they released their engine hp numbers. a stage 2 08 wrx with just cobbs maps can put down 220 awhp easy....
something doesnt add up with your numbers
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Old 05-04-2010, 05:53 PM   #33
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your tuner either sucked, or your car was tuned for a max of what 11 psi?
those numbers make no sense. stock 08s were putting down over 200whp on dynos, this led everyone to believe that subaru lied like crazy when they released their engine hp numbers. a stage 2 08 wrx with just cobbs maps can put down 220 awhp easy....
something doesnt add up with your numbers

So what you're saying is that all dynos read exactly alike. To say that his numbers suck is to say that you know what his numbers should be, as if the 'numbers' are alike across the board, which if you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that isn't the case.

My EvoIII 16G @ 22psi was only making 265 whp. That must have been a really bad tune, right?
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Old 05-05-2010, 12:36 AM   #34
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See that's what I am talking about! Suspension and brakes definitely good supporting mods. I was waiting for someone to say that. Although I am curious on the motor mounts, why would you recommend that? I personally think the stock ones will work just fine but I am open for your thoughts on that one.
I hardly call suspension and brakes supporting mods.... supporting mods = required to make power. Brakes and suspension are totally independent of power production - so let's say they're supplementary mods. I'm not saying it's a bad idea- just not required, especially not on the 08+ cars. A decent set of pads and sway bars would really complete one of those cars.

If you break motor mounts at 350whp either you're doing something wrong or you're just unlucky. Extremely rare- totally unnecessary upgrade for a daily driver/weekend car.
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So what you're saying is that all dynos read exactly alike. To say that his numbers suck is to say that you know what his numbers should be, as if the 'numbers' are alike across the board, which if you had any idea what you were talking about, you'd know that isn't the case.

My EvoIII 16G @ 22psi was only making 265 whp. That must have been a really bad tune, right?
I have no idea about that setup, but I do know that any 08 wrx with a stage 2 protune should hit well over 223awhp, I've seen dozens of dyno results and not one of them was under 230awhp

sorry you got so offended that I said your tuner sucked or your numbers are wrong but if u really only put down 224whp with a stage 2 protune then something is wrong or you were set up with less then 16psi
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I have no idea about that setup, but I do know that any 08 wrx with a stage 2 protune should hit well over 223awhp, I've seen dozens of dyno results and not one of them was under 230awhp

sorry you got so offended that I said your tuner sucked or your numbers are wrong but if u really only put down 224whp with a stage 2 protune then something is wrong or you were set up with less then 16psi
My stage 2 setup put down 247 whp. I can point out someone else whose stage 2 setup only put down 200 whp if you'd like.
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Old 05-05-2010, 10:22 AM   #37
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247 sounds better, any stage 2 2.5L wrx with a protune is capable of this. the only way i could see that car getting protuned for only 224hp is maybe if it has an amazing curve and a very conservative tune?
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Again, as Audio pointed out you're completely neglecting dyno differences. I just saw a thread were someone claimed they made 377 on a 20G on 91 octane and 452 () on E85. In the mean time the average person/dyno couldn't come close to even 400 whp on E85 and a 20G on 91 would only put down 320s-330ish. And there are dynos that will read even lower than that.
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well then he needs to go to a different dyno because a stock 08 can put down close to as much as his stg 2 protuned 08. his dyno either reads 40 hp low or his tune sucked, thats all i was saying
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I hardly call suspension and brakes supporting mods.... supporting mods = required to make power. Brakes and suspension are totally independent of power production - so let's say they're supplementary mods. I'm not saying it's a bad idea- just not required, especially not on the 08+ cars. A decent set of pads and sway bars would really complete one of those cars.

If you break motor mounts at 350whp either you're doing something wrong or you're just unlucky. Extremely rare- totally unnecessary upgrade for a daily driver/weekend car.
On my 08 with 68HTA and supporting mods I am going to need Transmission mount a long with motor mounts. When these hoop with the added torque you are losing power like it or not. Mounts are good now but the shifting should be smooth WOT in first under load. This is just my experience. I consider this supporting mod. The car has 20,000 miles on it.
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Old 05-05-2010, 02:13 PM   #41
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well then he needs to go to a different dyno because a stock 08 can put down close to as much as his stg 2 protuned 08. his dyno either reads 40 hp low or his tune sucked, thats all i was saying
40whp low? Really? You've gotta be ****ing kidding me

Stop giving advice, clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think he should go to a different dyno just because it will give better numbers when in reality it's the SAME car and SAME power, then you need to really just stop trying to help.

My car made 205whp at Stage 2, but other cars with the same mods on other dynos made 250. Should I have gone to a different dyno just so the numbers were prettier? Really?
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well then he needs to go to a different dyno because a stock 08 can put down close to as much as his stg 2 protuned 08. his dyno either reads 40 hp low or his tune sucked, thats all i was saying
Arent you the kid who wanted to "squeeze" as much money from his parents as possible?
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:36 AM   #43
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wow this thread has gone way off to another trail. Some of you guys need to realize that each tuner tunes differently and each shop uses different types of dyno's which combined will give you different results. Some guys tune for maximum output and some tune a little conservative so that your car is more reliable so to speak. The numbers that I got on my dyno with my mods brought me to around 229 WHP and 313 TQ. I went to a VERY reputable shop that tuned slightly conservative mainly because of the plastic sides on the stock inter-cooler. Didn't want it to split open. That and I told him I wanted it conservative because I don't want to break anything and I like to drive aggressive. Regardless, its crazy how you are arguing a tune when it is so obvious that each tuner will tune differently and the dyno's are different as well. I think that what some of you are thinking of is the 09 WRX that got the larger turbo upgrade. That model can for sure make higher numbers for obvious reasons. The 08's kinda got the shaft on that.
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wow this thread has gone way off to another trail. Some of you guys need to realize that each tuner tunes differently and each shop uses different types of dyno's which combined will give you different results. Some guys tune for maximum output and some tune a little conservative so that your car is more reliable so to speak. The numbers that I got on my dyno with my mods brought me to around 229 WHP and 313 TQ. I went to a VERY reputable shop that tuned slightly conservative mainly because of the plastic sides on the stock inter-cooler. Didn't want it to split open. That and I told him I wanted it conservative because I don't want to break anything and I like to drive aggressive. Regardless, its crazy how you are arguing a tune when it is so obvious that each tuner will tune differently and the dyno's are different as well. I think that what some of you are thinking of is the 09 WRX that got the larger turbo upgrade. That model can for sure make higher numbers for obvious reasons. The 08's kinda got the shaft on that.

You started this thread knowing that dynos read differently. You stated you want 350 awhp. I think there is just pointing out that having a HP goal is subjective. You can get xxx awhp on one dyno and not get it on another. So saying you want 350 awhp is kind of a oxymoron. We all do it though.

You want more horses and you want to be safe.

Grab a 20G w\ 8cm hotside.

Grab Injectors to support

Grab Fuel Pump.

Have a turbo back of course and Tune.

Talk to your tuner. He will tell you what will give you 350 awhp *on his dyno.

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40whp low? Really? You've gotta be ****ing kidding me

Stop giving advice, clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. If you think he should go to a different dyno just because it will give better numbers when in reality it's the SAME car and SAME power, then you need to really just stop trying to help.

My car made 205whp at Stage 2, but other cars with the same mods on other dynos made 250. Should I have gone to a different dyno just so the numbers were prettier? Really?
I have to completely agree with this statement. Hell on an at least stage 2 setup with a vf40 turbo in my 08 I'm only at 225/255 at altitude. A Dyno is simply an estimate. It is a number for reference, but what it comes down to is when you drive the car and the power your feel. I don't care what my number is, I am completely satisfied with how my car feels now even only at 225whp. If i wanted an inflated number then i'd buy an AP
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Old 05-06-2010, 10:25 PM   #46
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VF52
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intake/turbo inlet
3port EBCS
FMIC
injectors/fuel pump
should get you real close. i don't think you'd be disappointed with the above for reliability and easily over 300whp. i wouldn't get too hung up on that 350 number. anyway, that's what i would do. E85 would probly make it a "no doubter"
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Lilsubie. Im another military 08 WRX owner and my goal was around the same (now more) Originally i had an Invidia N1 catless tbe, Tsudo catless DP, Perrin CAI, Perrin recirc BOV, silicone radiator hose, and i had AMS tune the car. it made 289hp and 312tq (unsure how reliable dyno was) several months later my clutch went out so i put in a Clutch Masters FX300 so i wouldnt have to replace it again. Several more months went by and 2 of my fuel injectors maxed out under WOT which caused catastrophic engine failure. I blew cylinders 2 and 4 i believe. Now the car is at COBB. new list of parts are Process West TMIC (apparently awesome ic) forged pistons, Cosworth timing belt, ARP bolts and studs, BC 272 cams, ID 1000cc injectors, Deatchwerks 265lph fuel pump, COBB 3 port boost controller, COBB underdrive pulley, Taylor aluminum battery box (relocated to trunk), Perrin turbo inlet tube, heads milled down, engine bored out to 100mm (not much over stock) and possibly a Blousch 20g turbo. New setup should put down far more than 350hp and 350tq but my advice to you is if you start doing anything at all to the motor power wise do your fuel system first because once you start maxing the injectors if you get boost creep at the same time youll be that guy on the side of the road with a jiant cloud of smoke behind ya. BTW the FX300 is an awesome clutch. its a little heavier than stock but it works just fine in an every day car and bumper to bumper traffic.
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im making 355whp and 349tq. ive got a perrin rotated gt3076r with external waste gate,perin fmic,perrin intake,invidia q300 exhaust all the way back. im on a sti block now since the old block went boom due too a ****ty tune from japtrix in floridia. oh tuned on cobb for spring presure of 14psi.
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AVO turbos have performed poorly in use with our engines in the legacys and WRX's.

Our trannys are stronger than the 07 WRX trans so your HP numbers should be safe as long as you drive and do things sensible, any trans will break if you sit there clutch dumping at 4k rpm.

you could go front mount and use any old style 20g prolly 800cc injectors, and good tune.

any old 18g and run e85 and probably 1200+cc injs (consult with tuner on this one) (also probably much more than 350whp and more TQ than you can imagine)

or go process west top mount, BNR SuperCars built 18G get EWG and meth tune.

or PW top mount and BNR 20G and prolly get close to 350whp or just under with 800cc injs.

personally im running BNR 18g, with PW top mount, 750cc injs, AEM CAI, TXS catless TBE, good tune at 20psi and getting 335whp 360wtq. FUN car.
Really?????

I have one in an outback XT, works as good as any TD05 20g. Plus its a BB cartridge.

Reason the AVO380 did poorly on a lot of LGT's was because they were changing the turbo and nothing else. Couple that with TINY TMIC and you wont make any power at all.

Here is mine on Mustang Dyno Cobb Plano FMIC......



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