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Old 04-20-2010, 11:06 PM   #1
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Was just going through the RTA rules, and as far as I can see only the Super Modified class makes it mandatory for cars to have a rollcage and drivers to wear fireproof suits.
Now, for the rollcage side, I can understand the street and enthusiast classes not requiring a cage because those classes are geared towards street class and rookie drivers, but I think the modified cars are fast enough that a cage should be mandatory for them (although I get the feeling most of them have cages already)

for suits now, I was watching a video of a street car at Willow Springs and I was shocked to see the driver in khaki shorts and a t shirt Yes he had a helmet but why no suit?
Would love to hear other's view of this.


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Old 04-20-2010, 11:11 PM   #2
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Is it really in the rules that the Super Modifieds have to have a cage? Or were you reading about the Super Session?
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Old 04-20-2010, 11:21 PM   #3
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Is it really in the rules that the Super Modifieds have to have a cage? Or were you reading about the Super Session?
yup, Super Modified must have a cage.

you sound a bit surprised though.
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I am surprised. I know this is my first year running Redline events, but it seems they were always so lax in the past. It's good to see them stepping up their game in terms of seriousness and safety.
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they started catching some flack on it last year when a few people started poking more holes in the rules...for instance my 'street class' car could run a built engine and unlimited turbo without a cage.

i.e. my 96 coupe with full 05 sti running gear, built engine and 35R was used as an example and was ok for a cageless class, that at the time mandated street tires no wider than 255
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Old 04-21-2010, 09:05 AM   #6
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exactly my point. even though the class is a 'street' or 'enthusiast' class doesnt mean you're gonna see stock cars in them!
I love the idea of Time Attack - in fact we're starting it here as well - but they need to d something about the rules. far too lax....
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The safety rules as really arse backwards. Like you, I was amazed when I saw people out there in shorts and a t-shirt...their own choice I suppose, but all its going to take is one preventable incident of someone getting badly burned for the series to earn a bad name. Thankfully, that hasn't happened (knock on wood), but its racing and accidents do happen.

Also, some of the rules are pretty stupid...IE you can run a 1000hp GT-R in street class. I mean, sure its within the rules, but is it in the spirit of the class? Shouldn't street class be for street cars? And how one modification (like any aero mod in enthusiast or a new ECU) bumps you up to street, where you have cars like said 1000hp GT-R.
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The safety rules as really arse backwards. Like you, I was amazed when I saw people out there in shorts and a t-shirt...their own choice I suppose, but all its going to take is one preventable incident of someone getting badly burned for the series to earn a bad name. Thankfully, that hasn't happened (knock on wood), but its racing and accidents do happen.

Also, some of the rules are pretty stupid...IE you can run a 1000hp GT-R in street class. I mean, sure its within the rules, but is it in the spirit of the class? Shouldn't street class be for street cars? And how one modification (like any aero mod in enthusiast or a new ECU) bumps you up to street, where you have cars like said 1000hp GT-R.
we created a classification system based on specific mods. Its pretty close to being perfect. 6 points allowed for street, 13 max for modified. My mod class car with 8 points is sitting at the bottom of mod class but still a bit faster than street class guys..makes it really fair for the competitors, its not a budget war

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we created a classification system based on specific mods. Its pretty close to being perfect. 6 points allowed for street, 13 max for modified. My mod class car with 8 points is sitting at the bottom of mod class but still a bit faster than street class guys..makes it really fair for the competitors, its not a budget war

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1931848
At first glance this looks like a good system.

I find it ridiculous that a large company like Cobb is running in street tire. Its like Porsche and Acura running pretty much factory teams in P2 in ALMS/LMS. Those classes should be for "privateers". Especially in RTA, where one can build a crazy car for a lower class and only have to conform to a few rules to be legal.

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There was quite a bit of noise made over that video. In fact, many of the competitors have been making noise for stiffer safety rules, and stronger enforcement.

I can happily say that they have done such for this year.

In fact, I'm rather happy with a number of the changes I've seen to RTA this year.

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The safety rules as really arse backwards. Like you, I was amazed when I saw people out there in shorts and a t-shirt...their own choice I suppose, but all its going to take is one preventable incident of someone getting badly burned for the series to earn a bad name. Thankfully, that hasn't happened (knock on wood), but its racing and accidents do happen.

Also, some of the rules are pretty stupid...IE you can run a 1000hp GT-R in street class. I mean, sure its within the rules, but is it in the spirit of the class? Shouldn't street class be for street cars? And how one modification (like any aero mod in enthusiast or a new ECU) bumps you up to street, where you have cars like said 1000hp GT-R.
Being in california, i see nothing wrong with t shirts.. shorts maybe not.. but it really is up to the driver.. i've seen pro drivers on off days driving in Jeans and a t shirt at the track. no biggie here.

This RTA thing started pretty grass roots.. im sure all the safety stuff is catching up, but as it does so does the budget.

either way RTA isnt as exciting so far as it was even last year.. wondering how the series will end up
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Old 04-21-2010, 03:59 PM   #12
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I understand the concern here, but in NASA HPDE 4/TT you have open passing but very similar rules regarding cages, driver attire, HANS devices and so on as RTA. There's even a provision that you can wear shorts depending on the temperature according to the CCR. The group leaders discourage this, but in the end its your skin.
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There was quite a bit of noise made over that video. In fact, many of the competitors have been making noise for stiffer safety rules, and stronger enforcement.

I can happily say that they have done such for this year.

In fact, I'm rather happy with a number of the changes I've seen to RTA this year.

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I heard some had to chop out sections from their front diffusors, rear wings etc. Is that true?

also heard complaints about loud music from the stage, turning the track into hot imports nights while the teams were trying to work on the cars lol
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I suppose some people just put more emphasis on safety than others...
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I heard some had to chop out sections from their front diffusors, rear wings etc. Is that true?

also heard complaints about loud music from the stage, turning the track into hot imports nights while the teams were trying to work on the cars lol
There is a new rule that ONLY one wing is allowed so some teams (us included) had to remove the rear vortex generator, while others with dual element wings had to block off the "split."

As for the front splitter, not sure. I didn't run into that and I don't recall seeing anyone having to hack them up.

we didn't see much in the way of bands while in NJ. If there were we didn't notice.
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Being in california, i see nothing wrong with t shirts.. shorts maybe not.. but it really is up to the driver.. i've seen pro drivers on off days driving in Jeans and a t shirt at the track. no biggie here.

This RTA thing started pretty grass roots.. im sure all the safety stuff is catching up, but as it does so does the budget.

either way RTA isnt as exciting so far as it was even last year.. wondering how the series will end up
Spoken like someone who has never been in a significant accident before.

Ever been in a car on fire?



I really and truly hope they dont wait until someone crashes and dies before changing the rules....organizing bodies nowadays seem to be more reactive than proactive
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^depending on the setup of a car.. the chances of a fire are SIGNIFICANTLY lower.

and yes i've never been in a significant accident.. and i hope i can say i've never been in one buddy.

if' you've been in many many crashes and fires.. and you dont race professionally.. maybe time to give up tracking

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There is a new rule that ONLY one wing is allowed so some teams (us included) had to remove the rear vortex generator, while others with dual element wings had to block off the "split."

As for the front splitter, not sure. I didn't run into that and I don't recall seeing anyone having to hack them up.

we didn't see much in the way of bands while in NJ. If there were we didn't notice.
you are lucky then they should stop trying to turn this into a carnaval on west coast lol
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^depending on the setup of a car.. the chances of a fire are SIGNIFICANTLY lower.

and yes i've never been in a significant accident.. and i hope i can say i've never been in one buddy.

if' you've been in many many crashes and fires.. and you dont race professionally.. maybe time to give up tracking
Jon, you are not a pro until you crash hard, which shows you are really pushing it.. ie: infamous Colin Mcrae crashes
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Spoken like someone who has never been in a significant accident before.

Ever been in a car on fire?



I really and truly hope they dont wait until someone crashes and dies before changing the rules....organizing bodies nowadays seem to be more reactive than proactive
street cars are ok to race with shorts & tshirts as long as they are aware of the danger. Besides the track guys always tell the beginners to have long sleeves. if they dont listen, too bad..

if you make it mandatory, many will back out from track events.. thats the problem..
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Seems RTA is more concerned about making money and gaining exposure than participant safety.
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^^^you're noticing that trend too?
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street cars are ok to race with shorts & tshirts as long as they are aware of the danger. Besides the track guys always tell the beginners to have long sleeves. if they dont listen, too bad..

if you make it mandatory, many will back out from track events.. thats the problem..
I doubt that.
We have a street class here, and we require everyone wear a full fireproof suit when on track. Doesnt stop them from coming.
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^depending on the setup of a car.. the chances of a fire are SIGNIFICANTLY lower.

and yes i've never been in a significant accident.. and i hope i can say i've never been in one buddy.

if' you've been in many many crashes and fires.. and you dont race professionally.. maybe time to give up tracking
Agreed. Luckily I've only been in one
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I doubt that.
We have a street class here, and we require everyone wear a full fireproof suit when on track. Doesnt stop them from coming.
this is America lol
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