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Old 02-20-2014, 11:38 AM   #1
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Hey guys/gals. I was interested in removing the hideous silver trim in my 2013 STi. So I started looking into carbon fiber skinning because there is no company that either makes or was willing to create an interior or exterior kit for the cars. I realized that there was a company that used to make JDM double DIN audio surround panels as well as shifter surrounds using this carbon fiber skinning method. I wanted one to upgrade the look of the interior and unfortunately they were no longer in business but the owner was kind enough to send me the rest of his supplies.

My question is would anybody on this forum be interested in something like this? I am already active on another forum with this idea and I want to see if anybody here might be. This isn't limited to just the shifter surround and audio panel, but could include front lips, exhaust trim, the swoop on the STi interior, A-pillars, or anything else you're looking for. I'll add some pictures in a little bit of the work I've already done. I cant discuss prices or anything but if this thread has a lot of interest then I will be happy to become a vendor and give this a go. Thanks guys.
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Old 02-20-2014, 05:06 PM   #2
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are you talking about real carbon fiber or just a 3D carbon fiber look vinyl wrapping?
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Old 02-20-2014, 05:23 PM   #3
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I did exactly what you are referencing to all of the dark silver parts in my car from door to door including the shifter cluster.

Honestly... The cost isn't worth the effort, especially when you consider you have to use polyester resin so it will not yellow under UV radiation. Polyester resin also doesn't cure when exposed to oxygen, so you have to add an additive to the hardening agent. Which makes sanding oh so much fun....

It's expensive, time consuming and incredibly labor intensive. Each piece has to be sanded with about 10 different grit sandpapers, plus 3 different liquid abrasives to make it shine.

I can post pics if you want, but if it wasn't for the fact that my interior was gutted and I'd spent so much capital, I'd have stopped shortly after I started... Also, the first two or three times you do it consider it throw away work bc you will have to redo those parts.

Also, I don't care how easy those videos on youtube make it look, it isn't.

You'd have to charge around 1k (or more) for all 5 parts to make it worthwhile (silver conversion)....
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Old 02-20-2014, 07:43 PM   #4
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are you talking about real carbon fiber or just a 3D carbon fiber look vinyl wrapping?
Using real 2x2 twill carbon fiber
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Old 02-20-2014, 07:57 PM   #5
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I did exactly what you are referencing to all of the dark silver parts in my car from door to door including the shifter cluster.

Honestly... The cost isn't worth the effort, especially when you consider you have to use polyester resin so it will not yellow under UV radiation. Polyester resin also doesn't cure when exposed to oxygen, so you have to add an additive to the hardening agent. Which makes sanding oh so much fun....

It's expensive, time consuming and incredibly labor intensive. Each piece has to be sanded with about 10 different grit sandpapers, plus 3 different liquid abrasives to make it shine.

I can post pics if you want, but if it wasn't for the fact that my interior was gutted and I'd spent so much capital, I'd have stopped shortly after I started... Also, the first two or three times you do it consider it throw away work bc you will have to redo those parts.

Also, I don't care how easy those videos on youtube make it look, it isn't.

You'd have to charge around 1k (or more) for all 5 parts to make it worthwhile (silver conversion)....
I've actually already skinned these parts and they actually look really good. It's time consuming but I enjoy doing the projects. It's not as hard as you make it seem. Just required some patience. I did have to throw away the first couple pieces because it was tough trying to get the technique down. But I have it pretty much down pat now. Just wanted to gauge some interest and see if anybody may be interested on here.

The site won't let me add pictures but im on another Sti forum and there's pictures up there. I would assume I don't meet the post count yet.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:44 PM   #6
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Just my .02 cents. Are you using polyester or expoxy resin? I'm glad it's easier for you.
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Epoxy resin and epoxy hardener
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:46 PM   #8
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That's why it's easier but it will yellow under UV radiation overtime. Much thicker and requires fewer coats.
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From what I gathered during my research, it was necessary to get a UV protectant clear coat to top it all off. That's what I've done. After using 6 different grits of sand paper and wet sanding I used a UV protected clear coat and the pieces turned out great. It takes a balance of heat during the curing process as well as not adding too many layers of resin at a time. I wish this thing would let me add pictures.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:50 PM   #10
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I'm sure it's a fine looking part, I'm not judging. Good luck with your endeavor.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:05 PM   #11
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I'm sure it's a fine looking part, I'm not judging. Good luck with your endeavor.
Thanks.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:06 PM   #12
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Roper, would you mind posting pictures of your interior please?
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:21 PM   #13
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The site won't let me add pictures but im on another Sti forum and there's pictures up there. I would assume I don't meet the post count yet.
You need to use a photo hosting website like photobucket
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:31 PM   #14
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Thanks for the heads up
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JPM Coachworks showed this a while ago. I contacted them about it and they replied with this:

"We're still hammering out kinks with the product. A few measurements were off from the original mold so we had to revise the product. At the moment, I don't see it being ready until the beginning of next year at the earliest.

-Joe"

And looking back that was October of 2012. I think I should ask them again.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:17 PM   #17
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JPM Coachworks showed this a while ago. I contacted them about it and they replied with this:

"We're still hammering out kinks with the product. A few measurements were off from the original mold so we had to revise the product. At the moment, I don't see it being ready until the beginning of next year at the earliest.

-Joe"

And looking back that was October of 2012. I think I should ask them again.
Haha yeah I saw this a while ago. I would imagine if they had these available then it would be for sale. I think they just gave up.
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http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...psxoqfiwlz.jpg

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...pscksawkqm.jpg

All I have handy, I will take a few more and post them soon. It might not be till Sunday night that they go up.

All parts are skinned not molded, polyester resin, probably 8 layers for each piece, sanded from 120 to 3000 grit, then buffed with rubbing compound, polishing compound and finally surfboard wax.

Only the top layer is sanded with anything finer than 120, and the parts are washed and dried between each layer of resin. The wax additive for the resin will make your life bearable while doing this other wise each layer will trash a piece of sandpaper even if wet sanding under running water as polyester resin doesn't cure if exposed to oxygen.

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I like the look of it^^ Some nicer pictures would be awesome when you get the chance
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I like the look of it^^ Some nicer pictures would be awesome when you get the chance
Tell me exactly what photos you want, I will do my best to provide what you are asking for.
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Old 02-21-2014, 09:58 AM   #21
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Tell me exactly what photos you want, I will do my best to provide what you are asking for.
Those look good, maybe just some with better lighting. Did you do carbon fiber skinning or full carbon fiber molded pieces?
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Those look good, maybe just some with better lighting. Did you do carbon fiber skinning or full carbon fiber molded pieces?
Skinning, as these were one offs I couldn't justify the expense for tooling to use dry carbon fiber and form them.
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Old 02-21-2014, 04:11 PM   #23
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Gotcha, thanks for sharing.
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Old 02-21-2014, 04:12 PM   #24
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Doesn't seem like too many people have a lot of interest over here on this forum, too bad though. Maybe I'll do a write up and post it for others.
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Old 02-22-2014, 12:48 AM   #25
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You gave it less then 24 hours man, how do you have the patience to even get this organized? How about maybe waiting out the weekend. Most normal people were working today.
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