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Old 05-08-2010, 01:55 AM   #1
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Just got Stage 2. Absolutely love it. Now I am planning on my next upgrade, which will be an EVOIII 16G turbo swap. I have a couple questions because I have heard different things.

By the way, I have a 2005 WRX.

1. Which intercooler will work best? TMIC or FMIC? And which brand?
2. Which fuel pump should I be getting? My friend has a Walboro 255 but the constant whining sound I hear while riding is very irritating. Any other fuel pumps I can look into getting? Will I need a fuel pump regulator?
3. I plan on getting 650cc injectors. Will these be fine or should I go bigger?

Thats all I have for now. If I have anymore I will just post them as I go.

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Old 05-08-2010, 01:58 AM   #2
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I've got a Walbro and don't have any whining, nor have I ever heard of them having a whining problem.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:00 AM   #3
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1. FMIC if you don't got money, if you do get the Spearco TMIC
2. Walbro 255, yeah it's annoying, but it's pretty much the only one, I know there is a supra fuel pump or something like that, but I doubt it's much quieter.
3. 650cc injectors should be fine, but I'd contact your tuner, that is your best bet.

I do suggest watching out for your transmission though.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:09 AM   #4
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Thanks guys.

And, yeah Ive heard about watching the transmission. I dont plan on racing or anything like that. This is my DD.

Anyone else have suggestions? Id like more than one or two opinions.
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Old 05-08-2010, 02:10 AM   #5
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1. TMIC, no question.
2. I've run a Walbro for near 7 years and have never noticed any abnormal sounds. The Supra pump (GSS341) is exactly the same as the ones we put on our cars (GSS342) except for fitment. No, you don't need an FPR.
3. 650s should be fine.

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Old 05-08-2010, 02:54 AM   #6
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STI TMIC ( best bang for your buck)
I've heard nothing but good things about the walbro fp's.
650-750 should be fine
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Old 05-08-2010, 03:27 AM   #7
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If you're trying to avoid lag, look into some heat retention mods; Ceramic coating & heatwrapping exhaust manifold and uppipe. This can greatly reduce spool time. And maybe add 3 port BCS for faster spool
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Old 05-08-2010, 04:10 AM   #8
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get a grimmspeed boost control solenoid while ur at it

if ur broke, find a gm bcs. i got mine for $50 bux shipped on classifieds
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STI TMIC ( best bang for your buck)
I disagree. You can find a good used TMIC like Spearco or APS in a similar price range, and they are far superior.

Just make sure you get the matching APS splitter/bellows, and you'll really need the STi scoop to take full advantage. Doing this all correctly will cost almost as much as a FMIC.

A FMIC will make more power, and be better DEPENDING on your goals, but they aren't for everyone. You will lose a bit of throttle response, but can make more power from the midrange to top-end, with more boost and more timing more safely than a TMIC.
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Old 05-08-2010, 10:35 AM   #10
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I have a GM 3-Port EBCS.

Lets say I go with a FMIC. Which should I look into getting then?
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Old 05-08-2010, 10:36 AM   #11
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i got a css fmic on mine and i use a mbc
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:01 AM   #12
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i got a css fmic on mine and i use a mbc
CSS was a scammer. Also, you paid $500 for a $300 intercooler. I paid $200 more for the intercooler that the CSS is a bad copy of.

If you're looking at FMIC, the Injen Phantom is probably your best bet. Due to it's proportions you won't suffer as greatly with some of the FMIC downsides, however the intercooler itself is quite small (smaller than pretty much any TMIC that will fit on your car).
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[quote=Byzantium;30666085]CSS was a scammer. Also, you paid $500 for a $300 intercooler. I paid $200 more for the intercooler that the CSS is a bad copy of.

actually i paid 350 for it and it fits perfect. i havent had any problems with it for about a year and a half.. holds 23psi all day
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Lets not fight. I just want to know some intercoolers that will give the best bang for buck.
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Old 05-08-2010, 11:49 AM   #15
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Part of my setup:

Evo III 16G
Grimmspeed 3 port BCS
TGV deletes
Turbo XS TMIC
EWG dump to atmosphere
IWG blocking bracket
Walbro pump
DW 1000cc injectors (same price as the 850's so why not? Plus I run e-85)
Cobb TBE with thermal wrap
Turbo inlet

This is my "in-between" setup which I use for auto-x, so I had quick spool and a "wall" of torque in mind when I chose to go this route. It put down more power on Surgeline's dynamometer than any other 16G setup to date, so regardless of the actual HP number, I did get real gains by getting the supporting mods in place. Now the curves and numbers will look different on your 2.0, but I think the point remains the same. I haven't seen any gains from a FMIC with this setup that suit my needs, or I would have simply gone that route. When I did this setup cost was not an issue, so it definitely wasn't about the $, it was about my intended use and what would serve that purpose the best.

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Old 05-08-2010, 12:52 PM   #16
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Part of my setup:

Evo III 16G
Grimmspeed 3 port BCS
TGV deletes
Turbo XS TMIC
EWG dump to atmosphere
IWG blocking bracket
Walbro pump
DW 1000cc injectors (same price as the 850's so why not? Plus I run e-85)
Cobb TBE with thermal wrap
Turbo inlet

This is my "in-between" setup which I use for auto-x, so I had quick spool and a "wall" of torque in mind when I chose to go this route. It put down more power on Surgeline's dynamometer than any other 16G setup to date, so regardless of the actual HP number, I did get real gains by getting the supporting mods in place. Now the curves and numbers will look different on your 2.0, but I think the point remains the same. I haven't seen any gains from a FMIC with this setup that suit my needs, or I would have simply gone that route. When I did this setup cost was not an issue, so it definitely wasn't about the $, it was about my intended use and what would serve that purpose the best.
What numbers did you put down?
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What numbers did you put down?
It doesn't matter because any dyno is different.
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I have a hyperflow TMIC on mine, I like it a lot as well. 650's will be fine, also just get the Walboro
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I've got a Walbro and don't have any whining, nor have I ever heard of them having a whining problem.

You must not talk to many current or former DSM'ers. We call them whine-bro's. Not all of them do, but it's been common enough to where people know about it.
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You must not talk to many current or former DSM'ers. We call them whine-bro's. Not all of them do, but it's been common enough to where people know about it.
Yeah, my friends was on a 98 GS-T. Whined constantly. Could not stand it.
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but is it necessary to replace the fuel pump for this type of upgrade? Coz I'm planning to go this route too.
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but is it necessary to replace the fuel pump for this type of upgrade? Coz I'm planning to go this route too.
Necessary if you want to get the most out of the setup, the stock fuel delivery is not enough for much more than a monster-tune on the td04. You won't be able to utilize more air without more fuel.
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It doesn't matter because any dyno is different.
Which is exactly why I didn't post up the numbers. Also notice I don't have them in my profile either, though there is a thread floating around with the charts in it if the person who posed the question wanted to see the curves. Which really tell more of the story than specific numbers could.
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I just want a DD with good power. I mean, Stage 2 is amazing, but I just want a little more. Once I go with the EVOIII 16G setup, I'll probably be done with the motor. Going to start focusing on everything else.
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I disagree. You can find a good used TMIC like Spearco or APS in a similar price range, and they are far superior.

Just make sure you get the matching APS splitter/bellows, and you'll really need the STi scoop to take full advantage. Doing this all correctly will cost almost as much as a FMIC.

A FMIC will make more power, and be better DEPENDING on your goals, but they aren't for everyone. You will lose a bit of throttle response, but can make more power from the midrange to top-end, with more boost and more timing more safely than a TMIC.
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