The Sin' is in! - Page 8

Sinister redlines · 03-03-2012, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boost4life05

I'll be coming by on way back up north...i'll be sure to take some pics and vids.

On the dyno now all buttoned up time to make some magic.

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TurboRX · 03-03-2012, 07:56 PM

Can't wait to hear how much magic you made.

Sinister redlines · 03-03-2012, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TurboRX

Can't wait to hear how much magic you made.

Well, I do not want this to go bad and hard to say exactly what happened but it lost a rod bearing. Was low boost 15psi and very safe tune no knock whatsoever. Thankfully Mike, Steve, and Tim noticed oil pressure dropping and power dropping. Hopefully it is easy fix as really no metal in the oil bit it is making some noise.

Sinister redlines · 03-03-2012, 09:37 PM

But it did make 400whp at 15psi.. I wish I could just catch a break. More life challenges not like I need any more right now.

theotherguy · 03-03-2012, 10:30 PM

Damn Chris! Your dad and I were talking about your car this week and we were both excited over it. It was great to see how supportive he is. Just another small bump, you'll get it! Let me know if you need anything.

Sinister redlines · 03-03-2012, 10:34 PM

Thanks Tony, I am at my end of wits with this car. I will get it fixed already talked to Dom about it and he is going to take a look at it as soon as I get it out. It is really hard to say what the failure was. Thats kinda why I am just going to go the get it fixed and figure out what caused it only for the reason to prevent it again.

Sinister redlines · 03-03-2012, 10:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owqCv...ature=youtu.be

Run right before the issue started..

NW2TONE · 03-03-2012, 10:58 PM

if it was losing pressure than it must be something else than the pure fact of it just spun a bearing. something else failed causing it to loose pressure.
did you ever figure out the e85 breather thing?

NW2TONE · 03-03-2012, 11:02 PM

save that oil so you can send it in for analysis.

RexRexRex · 03-03-2012, 11:06 PM

Sorry to hear bud but that's some serious power for 15psi.

Sinister redlines · 03-03-2012, 11:06 PM

We dissagree Dave, it was running extremely well then power dropped and the oil presure dropped 15psi. It still ran well and had 48psi oil at idle. Then they did a slight no load roll and you could hear the rod. I also talked to a few people and the ethanol in the oil can is normal under break in, it slowed down considerably.

NW2TONE · 03-04-2012, 12:12 AM

did you ever figure out the e85 breather thing

Sinister redlines · 03-04-2012, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NW2TONE

did you ever figure out the e85 breather thing

Yes we did and changed the oil again. Dom knows all the facts and nobody is assuming anything at this point. MPS builds have a strong background and no issues. At the same time Dom has and continues to stay involved. I just want to conquer this car and drive the damn thing.

TurboRX · 03-04-2012, 12:54 PM

Man, I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully your luck changes for the better soon.

jdm05 · 03-04-2012, 01:08 PM

Nice vid, good luck with issues

BREWPUBEAVER · 03-04-2012, 02:55 PM

so sad face

Maxwell Power · 03-04-2012, 05:08 PM

Chris and I spoke at length about the nature of the problem.

Currently, the plan is as follows:
Remove engine
tear down engine piece by piece to determine extent of damage.
Inspect bearings.

The type of bearing wear and number of worn bearings should give us a good idea what happened. Craig and I reviewed the blueprinting sheet that we completed when assembling Chris' engine and can rule out assembly or clearances. My current suspicion is that a rod bolt stretched or broke. These rods were provided by Chris and had been used in his previous build and have been torqued repeatedly in their life. I think we'll find that there is minimal damage (they shut it down immediately and never pushed it) that worst case will require a crankshaft, new bearings and new rod bolts. I'm guessing the crank will still be good, but we are planning for worse. If it is a rod bolt, then I suppose we should have been more diligent in getting the history of these bolts before we decided to use the rods.
This engine while still new, has had a very hard life. From the first minute this engine ran it has been plagued with engine management issues. The first time it ran on four cylinders properly was only a week or so ago and this engine has been run numerous hours prior to that. It was also broken in on e85 (against my better judgement) and has shown excessive e85 in the oil at each change.

regardless of all that, we'll get to the bottom of it and get her up and running again soon.

PurpleDoors · 03-04-2012, 05:16 PM

I was in the other side of the shop when this happened. Never a good thing to hear.

Sinister redlines · 03-04-2012, 09:34 PM

Dom is correct, these rods are manly turbo tuffs. They where in my striker engine that ran a total of maybe two hours and never where under any real load. Basically idled around and a little road tuning with little to no boost. I had a reputable shop resize them after to reuse them and was told by the machine shop bolts where fine and I should have used my better judgement and changed them.

Maxwell Power · 03-04-2012, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sinister redlines

Dom is correct, these rods are manly turbo tuffs. They where in my striker engine that ran a total of maybe two hours and never where under any real load. Basically idled around and a little road tuning with little to no boost. I had a reputable shop resize them after to reuse them and was told by the machine shop bolts where fine and I should have used my better judgement and changed them.

We don't know if it is actually even the cause. Just one of my theories. We'll know soon enough.

Sinister redlines · 03-06-2012, 01:01 AM

Well she is home, back off the trailer again. Tomorrow comes the engine removal and Thursday head up to mps and try to figure out what went wrong and fix it. Rode in mikes monster and that car totally relit my wanting to finish my car.

scraggy · 03-06-2012, 01:28 AM

I havent met you yet, but ive been through the thread twice. Im really waiting for you to catch a break. Hopefully this gets sorted out and you finally get to enjoy your car. I think this thread qualifies for a "Support Sin Fund".

Sinister redlines · 03-07-2012, 01:22 PM

So I have the engine almost out, looking at my options at this point. If it is repairable easy enough than do so as long as we find the cause and fix it. Or start over with stock block with rods and pistons. I am so broke because of this car I could have almost had half the cost of a new gtr. How sick is that and besides driving it the few hundred miles last week it sat four years. Time for a new cheaper hobby like rabbits at least then when they post me off I can eat em.

Sinister redlines · 03-08-2012, 01:33 AM

It is out and Dom will take it apart tomorrow night for evaluation.

jibber · 03-09-2012, 02:07 AM

Booo, so weak!

03-03-2012, 11:06 PM	#186
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	We dissagree Dave, it was running extremely well then power dropped and the oil presure dropped 15psi. It still ran well and had 48psi oil at idle. Then they did a slight no load roll and you could hear the rod. I also talked to a few people and the ethanol in the oil can is normal under break in, it slowed down considerably. Last edited by Sinister redlines; 03-04-2012 at 12:06 AM.

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03-03-2012, 07:56 PM	#177
TurboRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 2455 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 99 2.5RS 996 Race Car	Can't wait to hear how much magic you made.

03-03-2012, 09:37 PM	#179
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	But it did make 400whp at 15psi.. I wish I could just catch a break. More life challenges not like I need any more right now.

03-03-2012, 10:30 PM	#180
theotherguy Scooby Specialist Member#: 191514 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: teh bremerton Vehicle: '05 FXT	Damn Chris! Your dad and I were talking about your car this week and we were both excited over it. It was great to see how supportive he is. Just another small bump, you'll get it! Let me know if you need anything.

03-03-2012, 10:34 PM	#181
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	Thanks Tony, I am at my end of wits with this car. I will get it fixed already talked to Dom about it and he is going to take a look at it as soon as I get it out. It is really hard to say what the failure was. Thats kinda why I am just going to go the get it fixed and figure out what caused it only for the reason to prevent it again.

03-03-2012, 10:57 PM	#182
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owqCv...ature=youtu.be Run right before the issue started..

03-03-2012, 10:58 PM	#183
NW2TONE Scooby Specialist Member#: 212509 Join Date: May 2009 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: marysville,WA Vehicle: unde your hood makin your **** go faster	if it was losing pressure than it must be something else than the pure fact of it just spun a bearing. something else failed causing it to loose pressure. did you ever figure out the e85 breather thing?

03-03-2012, 11:02 PM	#184
NW2TONE Scooby Specialist Member#: 212509 Join Date: May 2009 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: marysville,WA Vehicle: unde your hood makin your **** go faster	save that oil so you can send it in for analysis.

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03-04-2012, 12:12 AM	#187
NW2TONE Scooby Specialist Member#: 212509 Join Date: May 2009 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: marysville,WA Vehicle: unde your hood makin your **** go faster	did you ever figure out the e85 breather thing

03-04-2012, 12:54 PM	#189
TurboRX Scooby Specialist Member#: 2455 Join Date: Sep 2000 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 99 2.5RS 996 Race Car	Man, I'm sorry to hear that. Hopefully your luck changes for the better soon.

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jdm05 Scooby Specialist Member#: 180155 Join Date: May 2008 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: washington Vehicle: e85 05 wrx PSM	Nice vid, good luck with issues

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BREWPUBEAVER Scooby Guru Member#: 84547 Join Date: Apr 2005 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: PDX S-SE Vehicle: 06, Lafawnduh Fender rolling king	so sad face

03-04-2012, 05:08 PM	#192
Maxwell Power NASIOC Vendor Member#: 190729 Join Date: Oct 2008 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Marysville, WA	Chris and I spoke at length about the nature of the problem. Currently, the plan is as follows: Remove engine tear down engine piece by piece to determine extent of damage. Inspect bearings. The type of bearing wear and number of worn bearings should give us a good idea what happened. Craig and I reviewed the blueprinting sheet that we completed when assembling Chris' engine and can rule out assembly or clearances. My current suspicion is that a rod bolt stretched or broke. These rods were provided by Chris and had been used in his previous build and have been torqued repeatedly in their life. I think we'll find that there is minimal damage (they shut it down immediately and never pushed it) that worst case will require a crankshaft, new bearings and new rod bolts. I'm guessing the crank will still be good, but we are planning for worse. If it is a rod bolt, then I suppose we should have been more diligent in getting the history of these bolts before we decided to use the rods. This engine while still new, has had a very hard life. From the first minute this engine ran it has been plagued with engine management issues. The first time it ran on four cylinders properly was only a week or so ago and this engine has been run numerous hours prior to that. It was also broken in on e85 (against my better judgement) and has shown excessive e85 in the oil at each change. regardless of all that, we'll get to the bottom of it and get her up and running again soon.

03-04-2012, 05:16 PM	#193
PurpleDoors Scooby Newbie Member#: 225582 Join Date: Oct 2009 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Seattle, WA Vehicle: 2002 VF39'd EJ205 BRP RS Sedan	I was in the other side of the shop when this happened. Never a good thing to hear.

03-04-2012, 09:34 PM	#194
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	Dom is correct, these rods are manly turbo tuffs. They where in my striker engine that ran a total of maybe two hours and never where under any real load. Basically idled around and a little road tuning with little to no boost. I had a reputable shop resize them after to reuse them and was told by the machine shop bolts where fine and I should have used my better judgement and changed them.

03-06-2012, 01:01 AM	#196
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	Well she is home, back off the trailer again. Tomorrow comes the engine removal and Thursday head up to mps and try to figure out what went wrong and fix it. Rode in mikes monster and that car totally relit my wanting to finish my car.

03-06-2012, 01:28 AM	#197
scraggy Scooby Specialist Member#: 136384 Join Date: Jan 2007 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Bremerton, WA Vehicle: 06 SGM TR FPGreen Stage 0011.1	I havent met you yet, but ive been through the thread twice. Im really waiting for you to catch a break. Hopefully this gets sorted out and you finally get to enjoy your car. I think this thread qualifies for a "Support Sin Fund".

03-07-2012, 01:22 PM	#198
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	So I have the engine almost out, looking at my options at this point. If it is repairable easy enough than do so as long as we find the cause and fix it. Or start over with stock block with rods and pistons. I am so broke because of this car I could have almost had half the cost of a new gtr. How sick is that and besides driving it the few hundred miles last week it sat four years. Time for a new cheaper hobby like rabbits at least then when they post me off I can eat em.

03-08-2012, 01:33 AM	#199
Sinister redlines Scooby Specialist Member#: 120641 Join Date: Jul 2006 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Port Orchard, WA Vehicle: 05 HTA3586,BB 2.5L CGM	It is out and Dom will take it apart tomorrow night for evaluation.

03-09-2012, 02:07 AM	#200
jibber Scooby Specialist Member#: 6675 Join Date: May 2001 Chapter/Region: NWIC Location: Your ECU Vehicle: 98 SF5 some mods 01 allroad	Booo, so weak!