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Old 06-09-2002, 12:07 AM   #1
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Question I need TEC 3 install instructions!! Anybody?

Does NE1 have instructions yet? Shiv said to use the TEC 2 for now till he gets the TEC 3 up on his site. I need to get the iformation ASAP. The motor and TEC 3 install starts tomarrow or Monday. Thanks in advance.

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Old 06-09-2002, 06:02 AM   #2
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Hello,

The install instructions for the TEC-II are pretty close to what you'll need. There are a few name changes and the such. Shiv is working on an install manual as we speak and I'm going to integrate the install manual into a larger document with pictures to make it all super easy... For now, if you have any questions, please feel free to contact Shiv or me on Monday at 925-924-9800.

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Old 06-09-2002, 06:24 PM   #3
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Joel, I need the tec3 base bin and s19 file so I can start the car.

Shiv said he would send it to me two weeks ago but you know how that goes.

Please get some for me please.

I converted a tec2 base bin but I am not getting spark.

the crank trigger reads rpm, the coils have power but I get no spark to the plugs.

the manual says it is a software problem so I figure I am missing data not programed with the tec2 conversion.

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Hayscoob, I have installed the tec3 if you have any questions you can email me and I will send you my phone number.
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Old 06-09-2002, 08:23 PM   #4
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Thanks you guys. I will do that when I get to that point.

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Old 06-10-2002, 11:45 AM   #5
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The only TEC3 files that currently exists for Subarus are for WRXes. This is the only TEC3 application I have been personally involved in since it is on my '02 wagon. MY 2.5RS still runs a TEC-II. For TEC3 2.5RS apps, you will need to manually convert the TEC-II file into a TEC3 file. To do so, start off in the TEC3 wizard menu and fill out the blanks (# of cyl, inj. firing pattern, displacement, hp target, # of bar on MAP sensor, etc,.) It may also make sense running an 8x8 grid (instead of 16x16) since it will make the copy-making easier. Later on, when your comfortable with tuning, you can increase the resolution. This wizard work will generate a base file that will need to be modified by updating the UAP (aka TOG), Injector offset, VE table values, advance table values, enrichment tables, knock parameters, AFR tables, etc, from the TEC-II file. It's time consuming, I know, but it's the only way to do it right now short of starting off fresh.

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Old 06-10-2002, 02:26 PM   #6
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Shiv you mean you are backing out of what you said you were going to do for me? Sure take my money and F-u.

Get me the converted map as you promise before things start getting ugly.
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Old 06-10-2002, 07:20 PM   #7
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Shiv,

I understand and appriciate what you are saying on your last post. However, it's leaving me feel a little uncomfortable with your product. I hope you are gonna make your self available when this thing goes in. It appears you are the only guy with the "total know how" to get it done. I spent alot of money on my block, turbo and your TEC 3. I don't want to break my motor again. Promise me you will be able to help out when the time comes. I am willing to pay for your help. A base map would be great to start out. Seems to me the conversion is nothing but a pain in the ass. It is also not fair that we RS guys are screwed by not getting the base map to build on. Here we go again, the WRX takes the spotlight once again. To hell with the RS. If the people who purchase the TEC 3 for the WRX have access to an included base map, then it only makes good business sense to provide a base map for the RS people. Your reputation could be placed in check with the lack of support for the RS crowd. So, I hope you will consider spending some time and creating or converting the RS base maps for your RS TEC 3 customers. I am in no position to be a guinie pig for you guys. I need my car. If this seems harsh, then take a moment to stand in my shoes and think about the investment I made in your product/company. No install instructions? No base maps for the RS? Perhaps no support at all??? C-mon help us out. I also realize your time is thin, so any support from you is and would be greatly appreciated...Thanks.

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Old 06-10-2002, 11:52 PM   #8
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Paul,

Since your local, I would appreciate it if you could bring your car down to us after it's up and running. I just made a rough test baseline file that should be more than sufficient for start up and general operation. As mentioned before, I can't do much in the way of fully tuned baseline maps until I personally tune a TEC3'd 2.5RS. I'd be more than happy to offer my in-house AWD dyno/tuning services, free of charge, if you can lend me your car for the day or two. As it stands right now, the only TEC3 maps I have are for WRX. There's nothing I can do about that. It's the only TEC3'd car I have access to right now.

As we now know by now, the TEC3 software can't properly translate a TEC-II file. It may look okay, but it won't run the car. So this means you're basically left having to copy the data manually and hope that all TEC calculations are done exactly same as before.

I have done most of this work this evening and the results should be sufficient and on the safe side. But until better baselines are developed, I'm afraid we'll all just have to take it one step at a time. We're trying our best to get this issue resolved. I can assure you that there is no loss of interest in 2.5RS tuning. I still have an RS, albeit one with a TEC-II and a disfunctional transmission.

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Old 06-11-2002, 12:04 AM   #9
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Shiv,

Thank you for your prompt reply. You may have my car as long as you need it. It should be up and running by next monday. If I have a base line map available to allow the car to be in a drivable state to bring it to you. Once you have the car, you can keep it for a while. I appreciate your offer. I think your current and future customers of the RS based TEC 3 would benefit from your tinker time on my RS. I will stay in close contact with you about the build status of the car. I also have provided my Tech with your number in case he needs any advice or technical information about installation. His name is Steve. Again, thanks for the offer to tune my car. Again, thank you for the promp reply.

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Old 06-12-2002, 12:33 AM   #10
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Shiv, the file you sent starts. Thanks for the extra work in hand converting a Tec3 bin.

After fine tuning a few things to get the Idle smooth. I had to richen it up to get it to smooth out. I have the stock fuel pump in and the fuel pressure is about 30psi. I don't know what pressure the file you sent me is for but it is working good for now.



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Old 06-12-2002, 10:50 AM   #11
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In reading this, it seems that there are some feelings that are getting hurt. Just remember that the production numbers for this year's WRX'es about match the total production numbers for ALL the 2.5 RS'es. It's very understandable, and intelligent, that Shiv would cater towards the WRX.

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Old 06-12-2002, 11:31 AM   #12
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Hello,

If it wasn't for the fact that after blowing up his stock gearbox, Shiv blew up his replacement dogbox 2 or 3 times in a row, we'd have had the turbo kit and a TEC-III on his car first and would have had maps before we sold the kit. Unfortunately, Shiv's RS is sitting in pieces as it awaits a new gearbox. It's been down for a while now, but I hear that soon, the gearbox will row again.

The RS doesn't play second fiddle in our book. It just so happens that it's not possible to perfectly tune a car with a new engine management system when you simply can't get your hands on a sample car.

Dave, your fuel pressure of 30 psi... where does that occur? At idle? With the vacuum reference to the FPR off or still on?

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Old 06-12-2002, 05:52 PM   #13
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the 30 psi is at idle. it moves up to about 34 when you give it the gas. it is with the vacuum line on the fpr.
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Old 06-12-2002, 10:25 PM   #14
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In reading this, it seems that there are some feelings that are getting hurt. Just remember that the production numbers for this year's WRX'es about match the total production numbers for ALL the 2.5 RS'es. It's very understandable, and intelligent, that Shiv would cater towards the WRX.
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I would never deny Shiv his rights to a prosperous business. However, if you had spent as much money as I have in the last 3 months to hop up my car including the money I spent with Vishnu, you would understand how I feel. Frankly, I could care less about the rising numbers of the WRXs in production and on the streets. This should have no bearing on what's available for the RS. They set the stage for the WRX, didn't they. $.01, your change.

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The RS doesn't play second fiddle in our book. It just so happens that it's not possible to perfectly tune a car with a new engine management system when you simply can't get your hands on a sample car.
Joel,

As Shiv stated in his reply to me " As mentioned before, I can't do much in the way of fully tuned baseline maps until I personally tune a TEC3'd 2.5RS. I'd be more than happy to offer my in-house AWD dyno/tuning services, free of charge, if you can lend me your car for the day or two." As i said, you may have the car for a couple of days once I have the thing running. I will have to get the base map sent to me so it will run good enough to drive down there. Just let me know when the Dyno is set up and I'm there. You have no idea how much I appreciate his offer to tune my car. I feel much much better about the TEC 3 now. I still have yet to comfirm this with Shiv, could you comfirm for me? Let me know. Thanks...
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