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Old 05-24-2010, 04:25 PM   #51
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Old 05-24-2010, 04:53 PM   #52
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Old 05-24-2010, 11:15 PM   #53
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:16 AM   #54
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want! i need to do my ball joints 50k miles ago. i have 171k and i dont think they've ever been done
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:09 PM   #55
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And why is spreading the cleavage bad, when there is a bolt that closes it back?
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:16 PM   #56
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And why is spreading the cleavage bad, when there is a bolt that closes it back?
Most of the time it's not. There have been a couple of instances of the knuckle cracking, but so few it's not a concern.

I mentioned that we did NOT spread it to demonstrate how well the tool worked.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:22 PM   #57
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And why is spreading the cleavage bad, when there is a bolt that closes it back?

No issues, but even with spreading the cleavage, I've had plenty that will not come out. They just spin around.
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Old 05-25-2010, 12:32 PM   #58
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Well I would call that an update, ...Thank you for your creativity!

P.S. Mow the yard lately?
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Old 05-25-2010, 02:51 PM   #59
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No issues, but even with spreading the cleavage, I've had plenty that will not come out. They just spin around.
What, did they forget to take the bolt out?
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Old 05-25-2010, 03:54 PM   #60
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What, did they forget to take the bolt out?


Actually, i had this problem on both mine. Here's my theory:

The ball joint obviously has a groove where the bolt goes. This does NOT touch the wall of the socket. Everything else does, so it rusts to a certain point (fused) and then stops. Where the groove is, however, the socket is still free to rust. The rust only needs to build up a few thou in this groove to completely lock the ball joint in. So you can break the fused rust and the ball joint will spin, but it won't come out without pulling through that ring of rust.

Without making the first version of the tool, i would have been stuck either sawzalling for hours or replacing my knuckles; even though i could spin them by hand.

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Old 05-25-2010, 04:16 PM   #61
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Actually, i had this problem on both mine. Here's my theory:

The ball joint obviously has a groove where the bolt goes. This does NOT touch the wall of the socket. Everything else does, so it rusts to a certain point (fused) and then stops. Where the groove is, however, the socket is still free to rust. The rust only needs to build up a few thou in this groove to completely lock the ball joint in. So you can break the fused rust and the ball joint will spin, but it won't come out without pulling through that ring of rust.

Without making the first version of the tool, i would have been stuck either sawzalling for hours or replacing my knuckles; even though i could spin them by hand.
Explained perfectly. On all newly installed ones now I use a scotchbrite pad or steel wool to polish the socket and then I cover the balljoint in grease. I put enough on there to fill the groove up so it looks like one long cylinder. Then after it's installed, I fill the cleavage and the end of the cleavage bolt hole with grease too. So far this has worked AMAZING when it comes time to remove them. Not a spec of rust or seized bolts.
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Old 05-25-2010, 09:57 PM   #62
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Forget mowing the yard.....get back to making those tools! I want one
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:26 PM   #63
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He's working on it that. He and I are working on pricing, and such.

I also have some other handy dandy tool suggestions for him to pursue once he's got these put to bed.
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Old 05-25-2010, 10:42 PM   #64
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drew, bring one to STPR. you guys can sneak around during service and steal ball joints off unsuspecting subarus

(seeing it now makes a lot of sense compared to when you explained it in a text lol. nice work!)
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:17 PM   #65
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Forget mowing the yard.....get back to making those tools! I want one

Working on it. Was supposed to get a quote today for the rods, but it didn't happen. Tomorrow definitely, and then TiC and I can work out the best pricing for them.

Carl, i'll probably bring one simply because it's better than not. I'll go upstairs now and get back into the stpr emails. I've been busy, cause i got a lame job with hours and everything.
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:47 PM   #66
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Working on it. Was supposed to get a quote today for the rods, but it didn't happen. Tomorrow definitely, and then TiC and I can work out the best pricing for them.

Carl, i'll probably bring one simply because it's better than not. I'll go upstairs now and get back into the stpr emails. I've been busy, cause i got a lame job with hours and everything.
Wait?! You found a job! You didn't tell me that. Whatcha doin?
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Old 05-25-2010, 11:48 PM   #67
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you ever think about trying to patent this? this is such a kick ass tool. im a professional auto tech and would pay $$$$$$$$ for a tool that saves me time and effort. would rather see you and TIC makin money than some chinese company that will copy this.
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Old 05-26-2010, 07:27 AM   #68
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word^ y'all need to sell the design so a really big company, really soon.

i'ld like a share of the earnings for being the 5th person to suggest selling the design already










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you ever think about trying to patent this? this is such a kick ass tool. im a professional auto tech and would pay $$$$$$$$ for a tool that saves me time and effort. would rather see you and TIC makin money than some chinese company that will copy this.

The Chinese will copy it regardless of if there's a patent or not. If they want it, they will copy it. Ask me how I know.
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The Chinese will copy it regardless of if there's a patent or not. If they want it, they will copy it. Ask me how I know.
Holding a patent is not the same keeping it from being stolen.
I have a stake in one too. Yep, real live US patent.
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Wait?! You found a job! You didn't tell me that. Whatcha doin?

Making medical implants. We make bone screws, fixation plates, and femoral implants (fake hips) mostly.


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you ever think about trying to patent this?

Pretty much pointless, unfortunately.





EDIT: Didn't get the quote today, sorry guys. I'd do something about it but it's about 75 billion degrees out and i couldn't be bothered. :P

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how do you know?

I work for a very large OEM supplier of automotive parts. Specifically I work in a division that designs airbag inflators. We got a brochure from a Chinese aerospace company a while back (our competitive analysis group sent it to us) and it had a page talking about this companies ability to make gas generators for airbag applications. The pictures they had in their materials were our products along with performance and engineering materials lifted right from proprietary/confidential company presentations. I'm not talking copies of our products, but our actual product which they were trying to pass off as their own in the sales brochure. The idea is they would see if anyone was interested and then they'd figure out how to build them. They are probably ripping them off as I type this for use in Chinese made cars.

The scary thing is to think about the millions and millions we have invested in the development of that product to make it safe and reliable. While it's obvious they've stolen a lot of out information, it's not so obvious if they really have a fundamental understanding of how or why it works the way it does. Making a clone that visually looks the same isn't going to cut it and there are probably going to be many safety issues.

This makes for a VERY good read if anyone is interested. This is becoming a huge problem and it will end up costing many people their jobs if nothing is done.

Good read: http://www.pddnet.com/editorial-mike...rorism-051310/
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