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Old 05-17-2010, 09:24 PM   #1
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So I am going to start going to HPDE with N.A.S.A. and have realized that I don't want to use my WRX for track driving with other cars so I am in the market for a CHEAP track car and have narrowed it down to either a fox body mustang or a Porsche 944. I choose those two because after HPDE, I can compete in 944 spec or American Iron NASA racing as well as time trials. Which one do you guys think would be a better choice?
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Old 05-17-2010, 09:27 PM   #2
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spec miata
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Old 05-17-2010, 10:18 PM   #3
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Old 05-18-2010, 12:37 AM   #4
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spec miata
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I was waiting for it, happened pretty fast. I considered it briefly but just don't like miatas, I know they are cheap and reliable and all... but right now I'll spend more to race something other than spec miata.


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Well for the build I wouldn't mind a total investment of about 5k over the course of time of going through hpde and time trials. For the car I would like to get a good deal and spend no more than 2-2.5k
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I was waiting for it, happened pretty fast. I considered it briefly but just don't like miatas, I know they are cheap and reliable and all... but right now I'll spend more to race something other than spec miata.





Well for the build I wouldn't mind a total investment of about 5k over the course of time of going through hpde and time trials. For the car I would like to get a good deal and spend no more than 2-2.5k
2 grand? I would say go check out chump car or lemons. 2 grand wont even get you much in the miata world :smilieswontworkbutiwantonelaughingrightnow:
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:16 AM   #6
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2 grand? I would say go check out chump car or lemons. 2 grand wont even get you much in the miata world :smilieswontworkbutiwantonelaughingrightnow:

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/1744931669.html


I am going by what the kbb has the price at, now if it was in top shape then collector pricing is what I would go by, but this is a CHEAP track car. Why would you think they would be worth more?

http://www.kbb.com/kbb/UsedCars/Pric...uizConditions=

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Old 05-18-2010, 01:23 AM   #7
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e30 or e36 bmw?
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Old 05-18-2010, 01:31 AM   #8
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I hadn't really thought about bmw... that does interest me though.
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There's a spec class for e30 and e36 bimmers, sanctioned by NASA to boot. Check out www.spece30.com
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Honda would be your best bet. You can pick up cheap race-ready hondas for fairly decent cost.

I built my ENTIRE track car competition standards (25rs prepped for ST-2 - minus the power of course so prob PT-2 lol) and it ran me 15k doing everything myself (minus the cage).

Cage itself was 4k

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If you buy an old E36 BMW for say, $3000 it's going to cost you a minimum of $3000 to get it back into shape for the track. Ask me how I know. They're not japanese cars and they wear out fairly quickly. That said, I've been on track twice with my BMW, still have a crappy suspension but, it handles as well as or better than my Suby did after 2 years of working on it and thousands of dollars.

I think your price target is off. Your best bet would be to buy a car that's already built up.
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I think your price target is off. Your best bet would be to buy a car that's already built up.
Ding ding ding! This. Buy an already track/race prepped car and save yourself a lot of money and headache. I took my 2006 STi from a street car to a pure track car with a full cage, fire system, etc. I could have saved a lot of money by just selling it and getting a fully prepped race car.

Now, if you get a fully prepped race car, you'll need a truck and trailer to haul it to the track. Do you have that already or have you budgeted for it?

That all said, if you've never done an HPDE before, just take the WRX for for first couple times. Trust me, you'll be fine.
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So I am going to start going to HPDE with N.A.S.A. and have realized that I don't want to use my WRX for track driving with other cars so I am in the market for a CHEAP track car and have narrowed it down to either a fox body mustang or a Porsche 944. I choose those two because after HPDE, I can compete in 944 spec or American Iron NASA racing as well as time trials. Which one do you guys think would be a better choice?
I'm biased, but go for the 944. Spec 944 is a really great class to get into and the 944/924S is a load of fun on the track. They're well balanced, have a flat powerband and with a decent set of tires can turn a decent lap time. If you get an early 944 or a 924S replacement suspension parts are cheap. Make sure to put a fresh set of rod bearings in the car before taking it to the track.
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That's also a 20 year old car, that would need at least brakes and tires before I would venture to the track with it. And it's an automatic

to each their own. I also will echo the line of buying instead of building. I've built a track sti and a SM, and could have saved bundles had I bought both already done
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If you buy an old E36 BMW for say, $3000 it's going to cost you a minimum of $3000 to get it back into shape for the track. Ask me how I know. They're not japanese cars and they wear out fairly quickly. That said, I've been on track twice with my BMW, still have a crappy suspension but, it handles as well as or better than my Suby did after 2 years of working on it and thousands of dollars.

I think your price target is off. Your best bet would be to buy a car that's already built up.
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Ding ding ding! This. Buy an already track/race prepped car and save yourself a lot of money and headache. I took my 2006 STi from a street car to a pure track car with a full cage, fire system, etc. I could have saved a lot of money by just selling it and getting a fully prepped race car.

Now, if you get a fully prepped race car, you'll need a truck and trailer to haul it to the track. Do you have that already or have you budgeted for it?

That all said, if you've never done an HPDE before, just take the WRX for for first couple times. Trust me, you'll be fine.

I understand that things will come up and will probably come out to more money. But, the key to budgeting for me has been to key in a price I would LIKE to stay at and do my best to keep it from going above. That is how budgets have worked for me in all respects. If I raise my budget then not only am I def. going to spend more than I want but it will probably go over that amount too. Just my rationale, not for everyone but it has worked great for me. To each his own you know. Plus... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...get-build.html
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That's also a 20 year old car, that would need at least brakes and tires before I would venture to the track with it. And it's an automatic

to each their own. I also will echo the line of buying instead of building. I've built a track sti and a SM, and could have saved bundles had I bought both already done

I was just going back to show an example, there are 1,000's more in better and worse condition in that price range all over the country. It's all about negotiations. That just happend to be the first car to come up when I searched craigslist. I have a sponsor for brake parts and most motor parts which are already cheap for fox body's. I completely agree with you that buying a car may save over the long run, but this is a car I will be building over the course of at least two years and I will be tracking it often during that time that it isn't down, which may prevent me from doing anything to extensive. If I buy a finished product it may be easier for now but way more expensive as far as up front costs, which is not what I want. I see where you are coming from tho, don't get me wrong.
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Old 05-18-2010, 11:37 AM   #17
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After watching the American Iron series at Putnam last weekend in the rain, I wouldnt want to have a solid axle RWD car!!!

I'd go for a turn-key 944 spec, spec e30, or spec miata. They can all be had ready to race for under $10k with a trailer or cheaper if you are willing to have one with a not optimal cage/motor/spare parts/trailer.
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I am building a track car with a friend that found a 94 5.0 Mustang in good overall condition for $3k with a fairly fresh engine rebuild. He has about $6K into it now total and it is pretty much done. If you shop around for used parts, you can save a lot.

His car is very well built with custom valved Bilstein coilovers, All fresh suspension bushings, roll bar, race seats and harnesses, NT05 tires, engine managment etc. He is probably going to do a torque arm next year, and also a built engine and close ratio T5 transmission.


A fox body mustang or 94/95 5.0 would be great for what you want to do. The 94/95 has better brakes (5 lug), a wider track and it is a slightly stiffer platform, but has some unique parts around the accessory drive/transmission and PCM. All Fox parts are as common as dirt.
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I understand that things will come up and will probably come out to more money. But, the key to budgeting for me has been to key in a price I would LIKE to stay at and do my best to keep it from going above. That is how budgets have worked for me in all respects. If I raise my budget then not only am I def. going to spend more than I want but it will probably go over that amount too. Just my rationale, not for everyone but it has worked great for me. To each his own you know. Plus... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...get-build.html
that link you posted proves everyones point. you will spend 10k in the end
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that link you posted proves everyones point. you will spend 10k in the end

You have missed my point that I very much realize that it is very PROBABLE that I will spend more on it. The fact of the matter is that I am going to force the issue of keeping as low a budget as possible, in my mind 6k is where I feel I can keep costs at, if it happens to go a little over then so be it but that is what I will continue to try and keep it around there. THE END. Tires and fuel are not being factored in as those will always have to be replaced. For those interested interested making positive contributions that don't have to do with not liking or thinking my budget is doable, then please post up, otherwise please refrain from cluttering my thread THANK YOU


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I do already have sponsors to help keep costs low if that helps some of the people who are concerned with my budget understand a bit better

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I understand that things will come up and will probably come out to more money. But, the key to budgeting for me has been to key in a price I would LIKE to stay at and do my best to keep it from going above. That is how budgets have worked for me in all respects. If I raise my budget then not only am I def. going to spend more than I want but it will probably go over that amount too. Just my rationale, not for everyone but it has worked great for me. To each his own you know. Plus... http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...get-build.html
That's what I'm saying. If you build it from scratch, you will need a bigger budget than buying an already prepped car.
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I have been looking for already prepped cars after reading yours and a couple of other posts suggesting the same thing but have yet to find one that isn't 10k plus or is less but I hjonestly don't need to drop 10k on a car right now that I can get for $2500 and then over the course of several years do exactly what I want to it. I am not going to be going into spec racing tomorrow or even next year, it will be 2012 at earliest and by that time even if costs a total of 15k by 2012 I am more comfortable spending that over the course of this year next year and in 2012 rather than drop 10k right now all at once. It would be nice to have a turn key race car but I just don't want to drop that amount of money all at once.

I did however find a 944 spec racer that is complete and comes with a trailer that got my attention, I think the guy was asking $8,500, if he is willing to lessen that by say $1500 then I might have a turn key car... we'll see
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then the fun begins of repair parts for a 944!!

You can absolutely build a track day mustang for $6k. You can build a really nice one with a little luck and patience when looking for the car.
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dang...two threads. I'll just copy paste from the other thread I posted in so I can join in on this one.

Miata
-There are miatae under 2000lbs semi gutted.
-They are light enough (stock) to not really need brake upgrades besides good pads/fluid(ss lines, duckting if you get serious).
-RWD
-Extremely cheap to maintain and buy.
-Some have torsen lsd's stock.
-Cheap tires in 13", 14", and 15" sizes.
-Beautifully balanced fun cars.

Harness(seats with slots are a good idea), roll bar/cage, tires, koni's and you are good to go. Suspension bits, boost and aero can always be added for cheap.

I like 944's too. The miata should be cheaper to maintain and have huge aftermarket support.

You can start out cheap and stockish getting the feel for it, then upgrade to your hearts desire for power(boost or LS1, or just spec miata?).
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