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Old 06-09-2002, 06:32 PM   #1
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Unhappy Hell on Earth!

The Denver Metro area. At least that's what it seems like. When I woke up it was nice and clear and sunny, an hour later it's cloudy, I wake up from a nap and it's smokey and ashy and nasty! And it stinks! Is it just the Metro area that has this problem today from the forest fires?

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Old 06-09-2002, 06:38 PM   #2
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yah,
i was watching the formual 1 race today, and 7 news put that little blurb of news on the bottom and siad the fire was 0% contained, i was like oh no, today is gonna be so bad.
My friend had to goto the hospital because his ashma was so bad!
This is going to be a long summer for forest fires!
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Old 06-09-2002, 07:06 PM   #3
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This reminds me of Florida in 1998. Sometimes there was so much ash raining down, it almost looked like snow.
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Old 06-09-2002, 08:40 PM   #4
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picture taken from my parking lot at my appartment. this is a big one!!!
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Old 06-09-2002, 08:41 PM   #5
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Old 06-09-2002, 09:20 PM   #6
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yeah, we could see it from the World Area when we were at the autoX. NOt a pretty sight. As the day progressed it just got worse and worse. Seems like the winds have been blowing north though as we didn't get any of the smoke that Denver got. The drive home was not pretty
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Old 06-10-2002, 03:08 PM   #7
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wow... thats nuts...
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Old 06-10-2002, 05:50 PM   #8
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Yesterday is was pretty strange....
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Old 06-10-2002, 08:40 PM   #9
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Over 80,000 acres now, and they have just pulled firefighters out of the area. It is totally out of control....

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Old 06-10-2002, 09:39 PM   #10
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How many seperate fires are burning? I heard about one near Glenwood Springs that jumped the highway and closed it, don't know if it's still closed. And that picture by monoski almost does justice to what it was like at my house. I thought my neighborhood was on fire, then when I looked outside I thought the city was on fire, that's how thick the smoke was, and ash would cover your car in a matter of minutes if it was outside.

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Old 06-11-2002, 03:25 AM   #11
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I know that doesn't really affect me. Although my God, I feel so bad about that situation. That is terrible that so many acres and acres of forest has been lost. I'm not a tree hugger or anything either, although I do like to breathe clean air! I hope that they get that controlled very soon. Good pics though by the way!
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Old 06-11-2002, 09:31 AM   #12
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All this because some fool thought that the rules (no campfires) did not apply to him. Major bummer.


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Old 06-11-2002, 10:52 AM   #13
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All told, the fires have consumed over 100,000 acres. And they're talking of shutting down all state parks conceivably through the summer. Drastic measures, but what option is there if people don't listen?

I'm up here near Blackhawk, usually there's a spectacular view of the divide. Not for the last two days, the haze from the fire has cut down significantly on visibility and now I can smell the smoke. I hope they catch the sphincter that started all this...

Hope you all are safe.

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Old 06-11-2002, 01:10 PM   #14
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Old 06-12-2002, 02:13 AM   #15
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Thankfully there hasn't been anything about cancelling the PPIHC yet. I know it isn't near there, although I've been planning this trip for awhile and don't want it to be ruined!
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Old 06-12-2002, 09:14 AM   #16
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Yep, I was wondering about that last night. I wouldn't be suprised if they at least limit spectator access. Rats.

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Old 06-12-2002, 09:52 AM   #17
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i bet there will be no camping on the mountain this year!! someone would probably start the mountain on fire!

this is now the top priority wild fire in the united states!

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Old 06-12-2002, 11:20 AM   #18
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This was the view of the smoke from my balcony on Sunday evening right before sunset.
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Old 06-12-2002, 06:08 PM   #19
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Just like a tornado. Beautiful terror, and destruction. When will people ever learn to go by the rules, or to use the ashtray in their cars, or... Aw foget it, people are usually too ignorant to think about that stuff anyway.
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Old 06-13-2002, 01:31 AM   #20
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Hey I just wanted a personal opinion of how everything is going on over there. I have been over to Colorado a couple of times to snowboard and I have some family that lives over there. I really love nature and I hate to see ***** like this happen. I mean people need to be more respectful of nature, cause they're putting firefighters and civilians at risk trying to get this thing extinguished. Well, I hope all is well.

A fellow BAIClubber

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Old 06-13-2002, 09:26 PM   #21
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Default These fire conditions were inevitable

You need to keep in mind that the current fire conditions were inevitable.

First much of the forest here in Colorado consists of "fire species" some of these trees _need_ fire in order to spread their seed. The high heat of the fire causes the pine cones to open and drop new seed.

I talked to a fire specialist at the Colorado Forest Service several years ago, and he told me that much of the front range forest burns every 70 years or so. The bad news is agressive fire fighting has largely stopped all natural thinning of the forests by small fires, so sooner or later mother nature gets her due.

Like you say, this will be an interesting year. If you watched some of the coverage of the Yellow Stone fire aftermath, the post fire forest can recover much faster than some would guess. There is also an explosion of growth that will follow the fire, huge meadows of wild flowers etc. It is just part of the natural process.

The real danger is post fire flooding, that will be a major issue given this fire is burning out all the cover on both sides of the Platte River head waters.

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Old 06-13-2002, 09:32 PM   #22
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But one of the other dangers I guess is since there has been aggresive fire fighting, there is a lot of accumulation of dead things, so the fires burn hotter and longer scorching the earth, making it very, very hard for seeds to penetrate the blasted surface. Yes nature needs forest fires, just not kinds of this magnitude.

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Old 06-13-2002, 09:49 PM   #23
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Default Normal fire environment is much better than what we create by "helping the forest"

That's right. In a normal fire regime, the fires would burn through the grasses and lighter fuels and leave most of the mature trees unhurt.

Since we have supressed normal fires we build up a reservoir of light fast burning fuels and more importantly what are called ladder fuels. These are fuels that cause flame heights that allow the fire to get into the body of the trees branches, and results in "torching" of the whole tree or worse yet for all living things in the area, a crowning fire that can run through the crowns of the trees faster than a healthy person can run on flat ground. This will basically kill all the mature trees in the stand and leave nothing but a stand of stripped trunks and the ground covered in a thick bed of ash that is litterally water repellent, which causes huge run off during even moderate rains.

As the saying goes, "don't mess with mother nature" she can manage her affairs quite well without our intervention. We just have to learn to live by her rules instead of trying to improve things.

We also don't help things by building homes with split shake shingles ( can you say kindling wood) roofs. If someone wanted to build a house that was guaranteed to burn in a fire it would be a quaint little cabin with a shake roof, and surrounded by large pine trees.

One fire mechanism most people don't recognize is that radiant heat from nearby burning trees can ignite interior furniture, and curtains through closed windows. The rule of thumb is that if more than 10% of the view of the window consists of nearby trees, and they all ignite at the same time, you will likely have radiant ignition.

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Old 06-21-2002, 12:29 AM   #24
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Well, a lot of the forest area around here is thinned out by fuelwood cutting. Even so, we packed up and left our house last week, as the fire is only about 5 miles away. We were going on vacation anyway.

And I have hiked through some of the Yellowstone aftermath. It is not all that enjoyable. Fire is a necessary part of the forest equation (at least out west) but not a pleasant one...especially intentionally set ones.

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edit: As a side note, the WRX is parked safely elsewhere, along with all the new goodies I'm going to install in a few weeks. My house may burn down, but the wagon will not be turned into a pile of slag!

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Old 06-21-2002, 12:38 PM   #25
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One of the most infuriating things for many of us that live in the mountains is to hear the local media tell us that it's a good thing when the wind changes direction to 'blow the fire away from Denver and the front-range sub-communities'. Gimme a break. A little smoke in the city is nothing compared to what the people in Deckers and the surrounding communities have had to endure this fire season.

The icing was when they showed the fat cats in the Roxborough Park neighborhoods having sprinklers installed on the roofs of their 3 million dollar homes. Many of these houses are on clearcut landscaped plots anyway, and given that the fire has not come anywhere close to those neighborhoods I'm not exactly sure what prompted their hysteria! For anyone who has actually been evacuated due to imminent encroaching fire, or whom has already lost their home, this attitude propogated by the Denver media is utterly offensive.

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